Re: the developers have spoken
Thanks for responding.
On 20/11/14 11:47, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 20/11/14 08:14, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Brian wrote:
>>>> On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>> <snipped>
>>
>>>> The vast majority on debian-user see this list as being for the support
>>>> of users who *use* Debian and not a talking shop about it.
>>>> Encouragement
>>>> to pervert its purpose is little short of bad manners, no matter how
>>>> interesting a small number may find the topic. Please be considerate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ummm.... quite a few of us ARE using Debian, and HAVE BEEN using Debian,
>>> and discussion of comparisons and alternatives seems to be perfectly on
>>> topic.
>>>
>> [curious] Other than a possible exercise in self-validation - if, as
>> you've previously stated, *you have ceased using Debian* - why do you
>> continue posting to Debian user?
>>
>
> You must be thinking of someone else.
Indeed, after re-reading, I am (Golinux). My apologies for that.
>
> I've NEVER stated that I've ceased using Debian. I expect to be running
> Wheezy on our servers for quite some time to come, and watching closely
> to see:
> - if LTS becomes available for Wheezy
> - if building Jessie w/o the systemd ecosystem is viable, and remains so
> (for a start, if debootstrap ever gets patched for pre-seeding a
> sysvinit install), and whether systemd alternatives suffer bitrot
> - if Jessie w/ systemd becomes Debian's Vista, and folks (IMHO) come to
> their senses in time for the next major release
>
> And meanwhile, I'll be:
> - exploring other distros that have not bought off on systemd, and all
> that comes with it (and seeing how goes the Linux ecosystem in general)
> - perhaps contributing to a server-oriented, systemd-less fork
> - exploring BSDs and illumus distros in depth, particularly as regards
> support for high-availability clustering on commodity hardware
> - exploring ways to take our applications that currently run on a
> xen/drbd/pacemaker cluster, and refactor them to operate with
> application-layer HA (facilitating a move to a BSD or illumos environment)
>
> As to why I remain on this list:
> - I am a Debian users, and will remain one for some number of years
Great.
> - Occasionally I need some support
This used to be a great place to get that, I hope it will once again be.
> - At other times, I'm able to offer some support
For which I'm grateful, a factor which I take into consideration...
> - I remain hopeful that the Debian developers come to their senses, and
> that all this Poettering-inspired brou hah hah blows over before Wheezy
> reaches end-of-life.
...when putting up the likes of that. If it was anyone else I wouldn't
have patiently endured the shower of FUD, slander, mistruths and false
prophecies you've flooded this list with in recent months.
Sadly, you are not who I thought you were and you've exhausted my stocks
of respect and pity. This has resulted in me kill-listing someone for
the first time ever.
I don't know the guy, but I've found him helpful, and admire the good
humour and professionalism he displays in the face of all the disgusting
attacks against him and the rest of the team behind the project. They
bring nothing but shame to FOSS and delight to it's detractors - if your
prophesies of doom and gloom prove in anyway accurate it'll only be
because of the bullying tactics of people like yourself.
> And perhaps entertain some notion that my input
> might help bring this about.
Which is exactly the sort of divisive rabble-raising reasons these posts
don't belong on this list.
>
> Miles Fidelman
>
>
My sincerest apologies to all those who had to endure my mistake.
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