On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:55:47, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/14/2014 5:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote: > > It was claimed that sysvinit was the default *and only* (emphasis not > > mine) init, and therefore no selection was needed, but now that there > > are several a selection suddenly is needed. > > I don't recall claiming that sysvinit was the *only* init, nor do I > recall anyone else making such a claim. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/11/msg00814.html Maybe a language issue? (I'm not a native speaker). > My very simple point is and has been that, *because* the *default* init > system for debian has been sysvinit since anyone can apparently > remember, the very act of even *suggesting* that it be switched in > jessie to not only a *different*, but a (relatively) *very new* one, > should have invoked a very simple requirement - for which the > responsibility for implementation and maintenance would be on those > calling for the switch - to provide a means for easily switching back > and forth so that everyone else could easily test things, and > ultimately, after the release of jessie with the new default, provide a > means to easily choose the previous default installer at both update > *and* install time, and maintain such at *least* during the life of the > jessie (if not jessie+1). For fresh installs, given that there is a suitable[1] workaround the incentive to fix the bug[2] so late in the release cycle is low, as it might introduce other breakage. [1] so far the only claims against that workaround have been of the sort "I don't want systemd anywhere near my systems", without actual proof of something going wrong. [2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668001 For dist-upgrades, even assuming systems will be switched automatically (which is still undecided): - one can prevent switching by installing sysvinit-core before the dist-upgrade step - the sysvinit package contains the binary /lib/sysvinit/init which can be used with the init= kernel parameter - there is a grub patch[3] pending integration[4] to offer an alternative sysvinit boot option [3] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=757298 [4] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/10/msg00057.html The transition plan[5] has been posted on -devel since July with no objections. [5] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg00611.html Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt
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