Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Hi Jimmy, Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, 09:17:16 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:Martin Steigerwald wrote:Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2014, 19:49:43 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user desktop? Or something that fulfills both scenarios? And why? Just wondering.See above and unless you are a tester or developer you may want to roll-back to Squeeze.Why Squeeze? Wheezy has sysvinit just fine… and so or so I expect Jessie to work with sysvinit as well.
Hi Martin, Something I did not know at the time you asked the question: Why Squeeze?. Is that Wheezy was used by Debian to test systemd and even though I did not know this at that time I did not feel comfortable using Wheezy as my main desktop and now knowing that Wheezy is capable of installing systemd it will not be my main desktop until systemd is proven to be safe to use, I need to know more than words from a blog or a wiki to feel comfortable. I have been able to customize Squeeze to do all and behave as good as Wheeze but probably a little faster and once again I feel like a "Happy Debian User". :)While Wheezy has systemd packages and it somewhat works, but also had lots of issues in my testing with really systemd packages, its optional.So as long as you do not install it, you will have sysvinit just as with Squeeze. So systemd is not a reason to delay an update from Squeeze to Wheezy.
As I have posted elsewhere, I have more than a few installs of Wheezy, I also have testing and unstable installed too, they will remain as always until I no longer have an interest in Debian and that will be a sad day if and when it happens.
Its Jessie/Sid that are under some circumstances difficult to use without systemd. As to my current knowledge one of the circumstances is an installed GNOME desktop.
I install using the Debian-Live-KDE-iso(another project I have helped with) and will continue my testing and upgrading of Debian systems for as long as Debian fits my needs.
Upon the first sign of a backdoor and/or keylogger being installed and used in Debian by default it will begone and mentally ripped to shreds.
-- Jimmy Johnson Debian Squeeze - KDE 4.4.5 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda11 Registered Linux User #380263