Re: If Not Systemd, then What?

[Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>]

Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:18:49 +0200
> Raffaele Morelli <raffaele.morelli@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here are some interesting things one should be aware of before
> > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
> We've all read that. My favorite Poettering manifesto is the one where
> he talks of systemd subsuming packaging systems:
>
> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html
>
> > Read enough about but still haven't read something really valuable
> > against systemd from eg. Torvalds, Eric Steven Raymond, etc... (if
> > you do, post the link)
> Isn't this quote from ESR enough "against systemd"?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Reception
>
> "very prone to mission creep and bloat and likely to turn into a nasty
> hairball over the longer term."
>
> As far as Torvalds, would this qualify as something really valuable
> against systemd?
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY1MzA
>
> "Key, I'm f*cking tired of the fact that you don't fix problems in the
> code *you* write, so that the kernel then has to work around the
> problems you cause."
>
> > I believe the main issue with systemd and the community mainly the
> > "badass-ness"
> Badass is a complement. Poettering is just an ass. But if I used
> ass-ness as a filter on software I use, I wouldn't use anything RMS
> created, because he can be an ass, and I wouldn't use anything from the
> Linux kernel, because Linus can be an ass. Ass-authored software is
> used every day, by all of us. The thing is, asses like Linus and RMS
> don't have a roadmap to the destruction of the software ecosystem that
> created them (any more).

More than that, I think.  RMS and Linus take a professional approach to 
software development, and pay attention things like architecture, 
interfaces, regression testing, design review and other feedback - in a 
way that Poettering does not seem to.

> > of the guys in this "init system war" or whatever you
> > prefer to address at.
> >
> > Using systemd since 2014-08-09 with no issues.
> Good for you. Let's see if you have no issues 2016-08-09, if Red Hat
> wins its war against Linux.
Not quite sure I'd go that far - personally, this seems more like 
Poettering on a mission to reshape Linux in his image, and is taking Red 
Hat along for the ride.  But I could be wrong.

Miles Fidelman

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra