Re: Gnome for jessie
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:49:23 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt@troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT)
> Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT), Stephen L. Novak wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm only submitting that I would vote to see gnome as the default
> > > interface for jessie too. Also, I would vote change the default
> > > highlighter for some of the default menus in the new Xfce to a
> > > brighter color. Thanks for all the work on Wheezy.
> >
> > My main objection to GNOME as the default desktop environment is
> > that it *requires* 3D graphics acceleration from the X driver,
> > something which is not available from all drivers. (For example,
> > the mach64 driver which I am using right now as I compose this
> > e-mail does not have 3D graphics acceleration.)
>
> Eeeeuuuuu, get it offa me!
>
> I thought the purpose of a wm/de was to let the user run, arrange,
> view and interact with his programs. Why someone would require the
> complexity of 3d graphics to accomplish this is beyond me.
>
> >
> > XFCE does not have this requirement.
> >
>
> Neither, I hope, do the rest of them.
>
> I regularly use Xfce, LXDE, Openbox, and even dwm, and sure hope none
> of them are doing 3d stuff I have no use for.
>
> I'd want 3d if I were operating a sculpting program or a 3d printer.
> Operating a desktop environment, not so much.
>
It's not so much 3D as in applications, as in rendering the user
interface, so that various tile effects were easier. I had a whinge
about this at the time of the switch in sid, not so much about the
requirement, as about the fact that after giving me this message:
"Unfortunately Gnome3 failed to start properly and started in fall back
mode. This most likely means your system (graphics hardware or driver)
is not capable of delivering the full Gnome 3 experience."
it dropped me into a brand-new, empty Gnome Fallback interface, with
no sign of my various custom panels and menus. There was no prior
warning of this behaviour. The use of the word 'experience' didn't
help, nor the rather patronising statement on the Gnome site about why
they weren't going to support 'legacy' hardware.
In fact, it turned out later that my video hardware and driver did have
acceleration, it just wasn't turned on by default, and I had to poke
around with the nearly-extinct xorg.conf to enable it. I even had a
play with Gnome 3 (gnome-shell, to be accurate) but it seemed to need
so many extra clicks/keystrokes to switch windows and do other common
tasks that I gave up after a few days, and set off down the LXDE/Xfce
path.
https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/FAQ
This is somewhat less patronising, but still uses phrases such as "We
want to take responsibility for your experience" and "GNOME Shell is
designed to fit your lifestyle" which suggests that they've been
reading too many Microsoft press releases.
--
Joe
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