Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 09:17:15 -0700 Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> napísal: > On Tue, 05 Aug 2014, Slavko wrote: > > To be precise, i often read about these things: monolitic, binary > > files and boot speed. I don't like first two and i am not interested > > in latest. > > These are just accessible reasons. The main reason that I personally > voted for systemd over sysv is because systemd (and upstart) provide > correct boot sequencing in complex boot situations. IMO, users deserve reasons, which has value for them itself, not for others. > For example, if you're using iscsi, and need to start a daemon after > the network is up, iscsi is connected, lvm has resynced, and the > appropriate filesystems are mounted, this is trivial using systemd or > upstart, but very difficult using sysv.[1] I never meet these problems, then i cannot to appreciate it. How many people are as i in this? > The other reason is we also get rid of thousands of lines of > difficult-to-maintain boilerplate in init scripts. Yes, i meet some of these scripts, then i can to appreciate it. > > While sysv may be easier to debug in simple systems, there's a reason > why none of the CTTE members (myself included) voted for it. I don't see the problem in the change of the default init system. Your response forced me to small stop and think about defaults in Debian. I do not often use Debian's defaults. I remember as i need to specify boot options to install KDE and not Gnome, but it was no problem. Yes, there was time, when i install Debian without DE, to install the one by my choice latter. I don't use the the d-i tasks for DNS, or web server, because i don't use the defaults (only SSH server from there). My first thing after install Debian is to remove the default installed NFS server - no problem too. etc, etc. All these things are clean, straightforward and are possible after system install. Simple, i see no problem, that my defaults are different, than Debian defaults and i consider this as one of flags of the freedom. When i read first time about change default of the init, i believe (or hope?), that there will be choice. And don't matter if this choice will be at install time, or after install... I wrote to this list too, that this is *only* default. But now i read more and more about problems, dependencies from user space and this sounds bad for me. And i start to afraid. I am not able to suspend this machine when boot via systemd. OK It seems, that it is not a systemd problem - but the difference is simple: without systemd it works, with it doesn't, then systemd is a problem for me too. > 1: Not impossible, but you basically end up replicating a dependency > boot system in shell, and necessarily introduce brittleness and > delays. Delays, delays... And we are back at the boot time, where we start. regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk
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