Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:42:22 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> napísal: > Rather than being so general, how about you own up to > what it is _you_ are trying to achieve with _your_ debian > install, and then your _specific_ problems might be > able to be addressed. > > Sounds like a more useful use of _our_ time! And what to apply this to self? I share the frustration of the original poster. I see the debian developer's work as not enough professional, and it is similar to mobbing due lack of information. From my point of view: The developers ignores the community around testing (which are testers of the next stable release). IMO, changing init system (in this case) is big change, which comes with a lot of problems (sometime by misunderstanding, sometime by lack of knowledge, don't matter because problems are here) and nobody take time to explain users what is, what is prepared and what is consequence (what will be) of these changes - then they (DD) are wasting our time, not the frustrated users! While there is no one from DD and DM to take some time and explain direction – tell, systemd will be default is not enough for those, who are not familiar with systemd – then there will be frustration. And hold own frustration is not good. Perhaps is time to fill the BTS with a lot of new bugreports (always the new one) - to developers can share this frustration and perhaps they let know, that there is something missing from their side. Have you read, what you are wrote? How one can reserch the solution if computer won't boot (or need my all to have more computers to it)? How useful is take research, when after some days (weeks) all is changed? What is today in testing (with systemd) is different than yesterday and both are different than tomorrow status. There are more unanswered questions. Are the changes reversible, if something goes wrong? Have i opinion to choose init system at boot? Is (will be) the systemd default or only one opinion? It is not about testing provided solution, it is about testing of the user's patience. I have only one word: horrible! (more precise, i have more words, but they are self censured). regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk
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