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Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

Le 20/07/2014 13:56, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:16:11, The Wanderer wrote:
>> Unless I'm much mistaken, none of the tools provided by coreutils are
>> daemons, and none of them are init systems. Both of those things are
>> qualitative differences.
>> I didn't mention any of the non-daemon tools provided by the systemd
>> package, for that exact reason.
> I was trying to point out that splitting the systemd package would not 
> provide much benefit. Feel free to come up with a useful split to prove 
> me wrong.
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

No, because the systemd was designed this way as a monolithic bundle,
with interdependencies everywhere. You cannot get logind withouyt
changing the way you log things, and the way you start services. It is a
design decision of systemd, and (in my opinion) one of its weaknesses.

Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another
language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts but they use a
specific language mre complicated to understand thant shell scripts,
without all literature one can find on shell scripting, and without a
proper introduction and migration doc). It is not tested in real field
before being imposed to everybody, and it is still lacks features
because it is thought only for the dresktop whose user is also the admin
: no feature of cebtralised configuration for a parc, no advantage for
servers, and returns are ugly (see people saying switching to systemd
made the shutdown of their computer take several minutes, without any
answer since nobody except the zealots who refuse to acknowledge the
problems knows how to debug).

systemd may have advantages but the change is much too fast, untested
and will lead to big problems that many of us cannot afford.

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