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Re: Is grub perfect? (was Re: Does LXDE really require lightdm?)

On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:53:41AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:24:41 +0200
> berenger.morel@neutralite.org wrote:
> > Otherwise, if you do not like grub, there are other boot loaders.
> > LILO at least works fine, and seems to be ok for your requirements: a
> > single easy text file as configuration.
> > It's what I'm doing, excepted at work for 2 reasons: it does not
> > seems to support the new crap named... how is it named? Secure boot?
> > Something like that. The fun thing about that is that the grub
> > installation did not allowed me to have a dual boot with the original
> > windows, so I could be using LILO right now it would not change
> > anything. The other reason is that I do prefer mainstream stuff on
> > computers that I do not want to tinker. Never had any problem with
> > LILO, but just in case...
> Thanks for the great suggestion. I had originally ruled out LILO (which
> I used back in the 20th century) because it can't deal with EFI boot,

No, but there's a ... I'm not sure if it's a fork of LILO or a totally
separate project ... called ELILO that can be booted from EFI.

> as I remember. But (let's all take some time to laugh), my boot disk is
> a 250 SSD with an MRB partition, so EFI (and secure boot) is a
> non-issue. 

As I understand it, the ability for EFI to boot from an MBR is optional
(EFI + GPT is mandatory, but some firmwares allow EFI + MBR). YMMV.

> So you know what? If I ever lose my boot and can't grub2-fix it in 20
> minutes, I'll try LILO.
> I liked Grub1 better than LILO because Grub understands ext[2|3|4], so
> you don't need to do all the recursive thinking and the weird jails to
> install Grub, and having a boot file change its sector doesn't remove
> your bootability, really, LILO was pretty predictable once you really
> understood it.
> You know, I have a bunch of too-tiny disks hanging around, and my
> intent was to take them out to the driveway and do my 24 oz hammer
> drive-wipe on them. Instead, I think I'll take a page from your book,
> and use those drives for nothing but / and /boot and maybe /usr, and
> use a modern >1TB drive for the rest, and then I can use LILO.
> > 
> > I guess that there are other boot loaders (able to work on ext* file 
> > systems, of course) too around, but I do not know them.
> Most can't understand EFI boot, which removes them from contention for
> a lot of jobs. The booter meant for booting floppies and CDs can be
> hacked to boot your system, but as I remember when researching it, it
> was ugly.
> I don't know how big the current Grub source code is, but maybe I
> should just grab it, remove all code bestowing "pretty", get rid of
> grub.d and just have everything in grub.conf, and call it SimpleGrub. To
> paraphrase Henry Ford, "SimpleGrub is available in any color scheme you
> want, as long as you want white text on black background."
> Thanks for the great suggestion. I'm going to use it just as soon as I
> get a chance.
> SteveT
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