On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:35:03AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 3/15/14, John L. Ries <jries@salford-systems.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Tom H wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 01:10:11PM +1100, Charlie Schroeder wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Life isn't about second guessing if you write or speak to someone if
> >>>> they will take offence surely? Isn't it so that you say your piece and
> >>>> people can take it or leave it. It's up to them.
> >>>
> >>> "Life" and the Debian user mailing list are not the same thing. You can
> >>> make your own rules as to how you life and act within your own life, but
> >>> within a community one must abide the community rules. At the moment,
> >>> there's nothing explicitly written that dictates that one should be
> >>> polite, respectful, avoid causing offence, etc., for the Debian
> >>> community nor this mailing list. This is a bug which should be fixed and
> >>> the project is considering the adoption of a 'code of conduct' which
> >>> will replace the existing mailing list CoC. The text of the proposal is
> >>> here[1]. Of particular relevance here is, I think, "a community in which
> >>> people feel threatened is not a healthy community".
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/02/msg00069.html
> >>
> >> It's sad that Debian's demeaning itself with this politically-correct
> >> rubbish.
> >
> > Would "politically correct" in this context be a perjorative for "polite"?
> >
> > It's one thing to complain about efforts to accomodate the political
> > sensibilities of others and to hide one's own, but quite a few people now
> > seem to regard courtesy itself as a vice.
..........snip..........
>
>
>
> I think that in the long term, as the debian community (developers)
> formalise things like this, there are certain definite potential
> problems (in the long term), and frankly, I think it will be a very
> good thing for the community to go through those problems, because
> evidently it is only in the hindsight of actually experiencing such
> problems that many people can realise those problems, or see the folly
> of the things they do now - like formalising politeness into
> legislation (Debian policy) and formalising and condoning activities
> such as clandestine censorship (sorry, 'moderation') in the name of
> not offending the person who has apparently so offended the community
> that they ought be not offended by any public record of the moderation
> of them or their post(s).
>
> I predict the following, and mark my words: future and greater
> problems will arise directly from this policy (if this policy gets
> voted in by the developers) which future problems will only be seen by
> many through the experience of those problems (as in, bigger problems
> than the ones supposedly being 'solved' today).
+1
I remember reading some advice to a new internet user: "grow a thick
skin". Don't remember but it remains damned good advice.
In any event I strongly suggest reading/rereading
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
before rushing the publication of anything formal. Perhaps citing that
to problem posters might help, perhaps not. In any event, in my not so
humble opinion, thin skinned people have no business on the internet.
--
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