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Re: Advice on system purchase

Am Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> On 10/30/2012 7:19 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Lu, 29 oct 12, 21:06:36, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >> The second big reason is that neither Microsoft nor ISVs will profit
> >> from a non x86 CPU architecture entering the desktop
> >> space.  Supporting ARM would simply cost them money.  So there's no
> >> incentive to support ARM, thus it's dead before it gets started on
> >> the desktop.
> >
> > 
> >
> > AFAIU Windows 8 will be available also for ARM.
> You're confusing a desktop ecosystem with an embedded ecosystem.
> Yes, Windows 8 will be preloaded on ARM based tablets, smartphones,
> etc. And there will be some ISV support for this ecosystem.  But this
> is not a desktop ecosystem.  The number of ISV applications will be
> tiny compared to current desktop ecosystems, and will be tablet/phone
> specific.  You will NOT be able to purchase a retail Windows 8 DVD set
> and install it on an ARM based PC (if you can locate one), nor acquire
> third party full blown desktop apps for it.
> You're attempting to tie to distinct platforms/ecosystems together to
> make an argument for one of them with "evidence" from the other, and
> that simply doesn't fly.  This sub-discussion in this thread is all
> about an ARM desktop machine.  All of my comments relate to that, and
> that is what we're discussing.

Well with ARM getting more performant the differences might blur.

What is a tablet? What is a desktop? If there are already attempts to make 
regular computer displays touchable for example. Or tablets getting more 
and more powerful.

Anyway, I don´t see much use in predicting the future.

First I do not know enough for that.

Second even if I thought I knew enough it might still be wrong.

The world around me there is necessarily more complex than I, cause I am a 
part of it. How could I ever predict the behavior of something that is 
soooo much bigger than me?

While surprises like someone building some Amiga based system in basically 
something like a garage may be less likely, I find arrogant for me to 
claim I am able to predict the future.

I am not.

And I think you are neither. Whatever knowledge you have. Even it is, as 
likely, way more than mine.

This goes along the same line like people in nutritional area claiming 
they know what you should eat, cause they now nature. No one knows nature. 
No one really knows our biologically design.

We are all just guessing.

We all perceive the world, we perceive what we see.

And what we see may not necessarily be what is really there.

So as I have seen no stable weather forecast for more than a few days with 
the ones for the few days being wrong occasionally already I do not 
believe in any 10+ years forecasts in computer industry blindly.

Whether it is "ARM will not enter desktop market" or "there will not be a 
desktop anymore anyway". It does not matter to me.

I do not follow trends. I do what I think is good, I buy what I want to 
buy. And in 5 years I look again and so on. And I will deal with whatever 
is there then.

Predicting the future also has the potential to shape it that way. What 
you think has an effect. If many people think the economy will decline, it 
eventually will. Effect on moon phases on traders has been proven for 

Thus I do not put energy on any prediction of AMD´s fate. Support them, if 
you want. But then grant them the chance to survive as well. Cause 
supporting them on one hand and basically saying they will go bankrupt on 
the other seems quite schizophren to me.

If you want them to survive, believe in it and support them.

Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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