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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2011 : Issue 2139
Today's Topics:
Re: Upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze [ Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.co ]
Re: Latest iceweasel - package kept [ Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-ds ]
No more desktop. [ Paul Isambert <zappathustra@free.fr ]
Re: No more desktop. [ Paul Isambert <zappathustra@free.fr ]
SATA disc spindown [ Ramon Hofer <ramonhofer@bluewin.ch> ]
RE: Documentation -- gcc? [ Arno Schuring <aelschuring@hotmail. ]
Re: Latest iceweasel - package kept [ Scott Ferguson <prettyfly.productio ]
Re: iceweasel plugin-container, flas [ tadziu <tadziu23@gmail.com> ]
Re: SATA disc spindown [ Ramon Hofer <ramonhofer@bluewin.ch> ]
Re: 32" monitor & fonts [ Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org ]
Re: quick daft question Java app [ Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org ]
Re: Nvidia driver fails to compile o [ Richard <richard.bown@blueyonder.co ]
Re: Documentation -- gcc? [ Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.c ]
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Subject:
Re: Upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze
From:
Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com>
Date:
Fri, 25 Nov 2011 06:16:45 -0500 (EST)
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 01:58:13 -0500 (EST), Marc Shapiro wrote:
I have yet to upgrade to Squeeze and I really think that it is about
time.
...
Is there any reason that I should not just do
'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade' and expect things to 'just work'
as they have in the past?
I recommend that you follow the detailed instructions in the release notes.
http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes
Many people worked many hours to come up with these migration instructions
to minimize problems; and when experience talks, it pays to listen.
Not all steps may apply to you. (For example, you may not have any packages
on hold.) But you should do all the steps that do apply to you and in the
recommended order.
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Subject:
Re: Latest iceweasel - package kept back
From:
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net>
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Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:03:42 +0100
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FWIW testing today, perhaps already yesterday, switched to version 8.
Haven't read the thread, but IIUC there's an issue with backports
regarding to version 8 for stable?!
You could try to upgrade Iceweasel only from testing.
OT: Won't capture this thread, so please don't reply to the following by
this thread. I'll compile Firefox and try to install it parallel to
Iceweasel. Btw. Iceweasel and Evolution don't work proper on my Xfce.
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Subject:
No more desktop.
From:
Paul Isambert <zappathustra@free.fr>
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Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:46:00 +0100
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Hello there again,
I must be cursed. As explained before, I succeeded in having my wifi
work by switching to wheezy, following Nicolas's solution.
Then I just wanted to install Vim (gVim actually). Synaptic told me
there were tons of things to do, which I did, except it broke here and
there (on thing was that dialog [box, I suppose] was impossible because
TERM was not set, and indeed the details of progress appeared in
command-line style); update was cancelled. I started again, it
apparently progressed a little bit more, but still failed. I can't
remembered exactly what happened, but some things were related to Gnome.
Anyway, gVim was installed, but I'd lost e.g. NetworkManager in the
taskbar (although I still had an internet connection), so I thought
rebooting might be good. Alas, after rebooting, I had no desktop
anymore, simply the commandline. I updated Gnome, just in case, but
still no desktop. I launched "synaptic safe-upgrade", which did a lot of
things, but didn't gave me the desktop back, even after reboot.
So, what have I done wrong again?
Thanks in advance,
Paul
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Re: No more desktop.
From:
Paul Isambert <zappathustra@free.fr>
Date:
Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:48:43 +0100
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Le 25/11/2011 12:46, Paul Isambert a écrit :
<snip>
I launched "synaptic safe-upgrade",
<snip>
Sorry, that was "aptitude safe-upgrade"
Paul
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Subject:
SATA disc spindown
From:
Ramon Hofer <ramonhofer@bluewin.ch>
Date:
Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:49:42 +0000 (UTC)
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Hi all
I'd like to spin down all my sata hdds except the system drive with
hdparm.
Therefore I uncommented the spindown_time line and set the value to 241
which should spin down all the drives after 30 minutes.
When I put the discs to sleep manually with sudo hdparm -Y /dev/sdc it
works.
But after changing the spindown_time in /etc/hdparm.conf, rebooting the
system and waiting for more than an hour the drives doesn't sleep.
(I checked it with sudo hdparm -C /dev/sd? and every disc is active/idle)
One drive is completely dedicated to mythtv which was idle since
rebooting so there shouldn't be any access to the disc.
I sometimes read hdparm is only for ide drives and then I read it works
as well with sata drives.
Do I have to put a description block for each drive separately or is the
global spindown_time fine?
I think it would be nicer to have a 30 min timeout as standard and just
exclude the system drive because when adding more drives they spind down
too without adding a new block to hdparm.conf.
Can I check the access to the discs from a log?
Or maybe I should create a sudo hdparm -C /dev/sd? log which checks the
drive states every 15 minutes or so?
Cheers
Ramon
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RE: Documentation -- gcc?
From:
Arno Schuring <aelschuring@hotmail.com>
Date:
Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:51:10 +0000
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> OK, so gcc documentation is "unfree". I have no dog in that fight.
>
> Save an old man a few days of reading the GFDL flame wars from
> seven years ago, and someone (one) just kindly say where this "non-free"
> documentation is.
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gcc-doc-base
and
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gcc-doc
Maybe http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/ will be faster?
>
> I have 16 (two architectures) DVDs. Could it be lurking somewhere
> in those 64 GB of compressed files? Or have I been had?
A quick scan of http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/list-dvd/
shows no sign of these packages. Presumably because the DVDs only contain
the main archive?
Regards,
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Subject:
Re: Latest iceweasel - package kept back
From:
Scott Ferguson <prettyfly.productions@gmail.com>
Date:
Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:58:07 +1100
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On 25/11/11 18:56, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:45:25 +1100
Scott Ferguson <prettyfly.productions@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Scott,
Problem seems to be your mirror (perhaps an upgrade is in progress) -
mozilla.debian.net has been in this state for almost a week.
Certainly was working November 10, definitely not working now.
only Sid seems to have the required version available.
That's stupid; Why didn't the backports didn't do the job properly?
(rhetorical question)
For those that like to test/live dangerously:-
# mkdir iceweasel_upgrade; cd iceweasel_upgrade
# wget -t 0
http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/iceweasel-release/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_8.0-3~bpo60+1_i386.deb
http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/iceweasel-release/i/iceweasel/xulrunner-8.0_8.0-3~bpo60+1_i386.deb
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cairo/libcairo2_1.10.2-6.1_i386.deb
http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/pool/main/n/nss/libnss3-1d_3.13.1.with.ckbi.1.88-1~bpo60+1_i386.deb
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-0_3.7.9-2_i386.deb
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pixman/libpixman-1-0_0.24.0-1_i386.deb
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/multiarch-support_2.13-21_i386.deb
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6_2.13-21_i386.deb
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/locales_2.13-21_all.deb
http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-bin_2.13-21_i386.deb
# dpkg -i *
Repeat last command as required - agree to any dialog questions. If it
breaks you can keep both pieces.
Nothing exploded on a (non-crucial) Squeeze machine running Fluxbox - yet...
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Re: iceweasel plugin-container, flashplugin, and gnome3 issue
From:
tadziu <tadziu23@gmail.com>
Date:
Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:58:41 +0100
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hi
Remember to turn off html format :-)
sorry
That's the usual behaviour for flash player based sites and depending on
your computer capabilities and the site you are viewing this can indeed
lock or slowdown firefox a lot :-(
You can review the docs to try to reduce the high CPU consumption (there
are some tricks you can test) but I've started to live with it:
well, but i haven't had this problem while testing gnome3 few month
ago with ubuntu 11.04 (or 11.10 i don't remember).on the same machine
that's why i'm asking.
btw, i'm really getting sick with gnome3 it's forcing user to change his
habits.
i really love debian since i left ubuntu seven or even eight years ago.
but now situation looks like this: my primary application is iceweasel.
debian stable offers obsolete 3.6 version. i've managed to install 7.0
but i never worked good. so i moved to testing and everything was cool
till i was forced to use gnome3 fallback mode. i'm really disappointed.
yeah i can change distro, i can go back to stable etc. but i don't
want to. i spend a lot of time to configure my system and liquorix
kernel to have proper environment for creating music. and i don't
want to use chromium because i need a goddamn search box
and not omnibar which - i'm sorry - but i'm too dumb to use the
way i need to.
i really don't know any reasonable alternative to debian which would
let me to apply so many changes in relatively easy way to fit OS
for my personal needs. that's why i fell betrayed, because gnome3
has exactly opposite philosophy.
sorry for off-topic don't mind my whining
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/What%20is%20plugin-container
(...)
Until flash player plugin completely dies no satisfying answer will
come :-)
i can't wait for that to happen.
all the best
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Re: SATA disc spindown
From:
Ramon Hofer <ramonhofer@bluewin.ch>
Date:
Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:04:51 +0000 (UTC)
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:49:42 +0000, Ramon Hofer wrote:
Therefore I uncommented the spindown_time line and set the value to 241
which should spin down all the drives after 30 minutes.
To speed up testing I have set spindown_tim = 1 but the drives still
stays active...
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Re: 32" monitor & fonts
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Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk>
Date:
Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:10:43 +0000
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:49:57AM +0200, Mark Panen wrote:
Hi,
I have just set up a 32" monitor with a resolution of 1366x768 and
the fonts are terrible in KDE except iceweasel and icedove, the page
and body text bit is fine. kwrite is terrible, i can hardly read the
font.
You might want to check your DPI is set correctly:
$ xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
$ xdpyinfo | grep "dots per inch"
The first of those will tell you what X thinks your screen size is in
pixels and in millimetres. I think you should get something like this:
$ xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
dimensions: 1366x768 pixels (708x398 millimetres)
The second command will tell you what X thinks your screen resolution is
in dots per inch. You should be looking for something around 49 dots per
inch for your screen.
If everything is correct there, then your system is set up correctly and
it may just be that your font is struggling (49 dpi is rather low). Try
picking a different font and see if it helps.
If the numbers you get aren't as you expect, it may be that X isn't
detecting the size of your monitor correctly. In that case, create a
file /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf with the following
contents:
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "<default monitor>"
DisplaySize 708 398 # In millimeteres
EndSection
You may need to be root to write that file. Leave the section in
angle-brackets as is, but feel free to adjust the numbers after
DisplaySize to match your monitor (You want to measure the actual,
viewable size if you're doing that). Logging out and back in should
apply the new configuration.
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Re: quick daft question Java app
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Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk>
Date:
Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:15:17 +0000
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:41:16AM +0000, Richard wrote:
Hi
Gnome3 menu editing is a real PITA.
I found this which I'd like to try
Gnome3_AppMenuEditor.jar
how do you run this, I've tried jar Gnome3....., but jar is not recognised,
JRE is loaded, but its been so long since I've played with java apps, sorry.
I believe the syntax is "java -jar Gnome3_AppMenuEditor.jar".
Alternatively, if you install the package "jarwrapper", you can execute
the file directly by "./Gnome3_AppMenuEditor.jar".
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Re: Nvidia driver fails to compile on kernel 3.X
From:
Richard <richard.bown@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date:
Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:16:09 +0000
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:46:16 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote:
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 19:01 +0000, Richard wrote:
[snip] It wont build from the /usr/src/nvidia direcory, as it wants
the kernel config file. [snip]
Please post the output of the log file. Are the linux-headers installed?
Half OT:
Since Nov 5 I kick installing the driver to 3.0.7-rt20. Perhaps I try
again this weekend. For the kernel-rt there's an additional issue, since
3 system calls from the rt patch need an additional patch, an illegal
patch, that change the license. Perhaps Linux should become an OS for
the rich people only, for those who can pay for Intel.
Even the nv FLOSS driver was removed from testing. I kept it for usage
with an old Nvidia card, since the FLOSS nouveau driver doesn't work
with old Nvidi cards, even if it's claimed that it should work.
Btw. even when I've got money to buy Intel, I don't do so, since
throwaway society is polluting our planet with the hazardous computer
waste. For my needs this "waste" is good enough to build a stable Linux
DAW, so I got much equipment from bulk waste pick-up.
This strange new Linux policy started some time ago. I e.g. needed to
replace my 3 wheel mouse by a new one, since something was dropped, but
I never found out what was dropped.
Anyway, ethical improper, but the easiest way for a Linux user, would be
to use Intel graphics. At least for DAWs :(, otherwise you are forced to
offend the GNU or to run a multimedia machine that isn't able to use 3D
apps, but some people might do audio and video productions.
This Nvidia issue is a PITA and it's not caused by Nvidia only, some
issues are made by some people from our community.
- Ralf
I'll have a look in the log files and see if I can find anything.
I've come to the conclusion the nouveau driver doesn't work with new nvidia cards as well, as I had to
black list it.
As for the last bit Ralf ,I couldn't agree more, strange how other distros can manage to have gdm3 and
gnome-shell running.
The common point I'm not happy with and its a gnome-shell thing is the applications menu and how
difficult it is to edit. but I will master it :)
And the throw away society will get bitten on the arse, because all the skills that are needed to keep
things working, are no longer needed. Or so they think !
The idea of wanting to know how something works has changed.
enough before I get accused of trolling :)
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Re: Documentation -- gcc?
From:
Chris Davies <chris-usenet@roaima.co.uk>
Date:
Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:31:15 +0000
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Woodchuck <marmot@pennswoods.net> wrote:
Save an old man a few days of reading the GFDL flame wars from
seven years ago, and someone (one) just kindly say where this "non-free"
documentation is.
Package "gcc-doc"? Or is that too obvious?
http://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/non-free gcc-doc-base 4.4.4.nf1-1 [30.1kB]
http://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/non-free gcc-4.4-doc 4.4.4.nf1-1 [2,323kB]
http://ftp.uk.debian.org stable/contrib gcc-doc 5:3 [2,908B]
The value content in these packages appears to land in
/usr/share/doc/gcc-4.4-doc/*.html. Is there more that you were looking
for?
Chris