Re: posting

[Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net>]

On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 17:39 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 23/06/11 17:02, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 06:45 +0000,
> > debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org wrote:
> >>         On 23/06/11 00:01, lee wrote:
> >>         > Scott Ferguson <prettyfly.productions@gmail.com> writes:
> >>         > 
> >>         >> On 22/06/11 21:53, Camaleón wrote:
> >>         >>>> On 21/06/11 23:29, Camaleón wrote:
> >>         >>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:21:01 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
> >>         wrote:
> >>         >>>>>> But at least you did not reply to a digest.
> >>         >>>>>
> >>         >>>>> Sure. I'd say digests are for reading more than
> >>         replying.
> >>         >>
> >>         >> And I am in absolute agreement with you!
> >>         > 
> >>         > Hm, I wonder why anyone is going to the lengths of replying
> >>         to digest
> >>         > messages rather than just subscribing to the list ...
> >>         
> >>         You could just ask the person.... (look for the "Digest"
> >>         subject line)
> >>         I've had to replied to posts from digests - I edit out the
> >>         digest cruft
> >>         rather than perpetuate an abomination.
> >>         
> >>         For convoluted reasons I subscribe to a digest from another
> >>         list - I
> >>         edit my responses carefully though. While some will argue that
> >>         ruins the
> >>         header information - the purpose is to make indexing for
> >>         searching, and
> >>         threading by subject line, work. Not to provide a forensics
> >>         trail for
> >>         the anally retentive.
> > 
> > It's easier for GNU mailman digest. There you get the subject line and
> > you easily can copy and paste it, so at least I won't forget to do it,
> > while I sometimes forget to do it for the Debian list.
> > Another issue for the Debian digest is, that even HTML formatted spam
> > isn't eliminated, hence scrolling through the Digest is annoying. People
> > writing to the list should do it by plain text only, so it would be easy
> > to eliminate HTML based spam.
> > 
> > IMO Digest should be for replies too, not only to lurk the list. You can
> > read the archive if you only would like to lurk.
> > 
> > -- Ralf
> > 
> > 
> 
> Is all that ^ annoying?
> To me it looks like someone printed out a post, put it through a washing
> machine, then had it typed out by a drunk on a popo-stick! ;-p
> 
> Not only is it reformatted, re-wrapped, and re-indented - the Subject
> has been appended to, breaking the thread.

Re: posting Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1198

instead of

Re: posting

is breaking the thread?

> Maybe it works for you in Evolution Ralf - but for me in Icedove you've
> just made a(nother) complelling argument for NOT replying to Digest
> messages.

For Evolution it usually isn't reformatted, of cause sometimes I get
neverending lines when I reply, but this also happens for non-digest
replies.

And yes, sometimes mails are bad reformatted for Evolution too, but this
also isn't related to digest replies.

> While in your opinion ("IMO") "it should be for replies too" - the fact
> that it *doesn't work* should be a good reason not to do so. My 2c.

I can filter emails for my client, but not for the provider's server.
I don't want to receive 800 mails a day, so I prefer digest.

> Both HTML and spam being sent to list is a filtering issue - nothing to
> do with the Digest version (red herring).

The Debian list does cause most of the Spams I get.

> Also. How someone can forget to copy the Subject line - when, if
> replying to normal (not Digest) messages - it's not necessary.

It doesn't happen that often and usually for this list. If standards are
that important, GNU mailman would be the better choice to avoid issues.

Debian isn't fine with Firefox and Thunderbird, hence they change some
things, add bugs and call it Iceweasel and Icedove. Debian isn't fine
with GNU mailmen, hence they use another format for the mailing list.

And now replying to digest is unwanted? What is digest for? For reading
only? There's an archive, that can be used for reading only.

Mozilla isn't origin Linux software. I'm using Evolution, it's still
more buggy than Mozillas are, I can't change this OTOH did you test if
the reformatted mails are ok when viewing them by Thunderbird instead of
Icedove?

At least my Iceweasel isn't working that good as Firefox does on other
Linux installs.

I planed to read more and to write less, at the moment I reply very
often, but I won't switch between digest and "normal" when the amount of
my replies is higher or lower.

-- Ralf