On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 04:42:04PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 03:55:39PM -0500, judd@wadsworth.org wrote: > > On 2 Mar, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > >> > > > Here is a list of cities to which I have travelled that attempted to > > > put public transportation in place which still have massivley > > > attrocious traffic problems (hint: that is an indicator that enough > > > people use the public transportation systems): > > > > > > Seattle, Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, Miami, Orlando, > > > Tampa, Jacksonville (though they have improved more than most), > > > Atlanta > > > > > > > I asked for statistics, not personal experience/opinion. > > Specifically, to back up the claim "pretty much every metro area" > > that has tried public transportation has not really improved things > > despite large expense. Your anecdotal impressions do not answer the > > question. > > > > OK. I'll give you two stats [0]. NYC and Chicago. > > NYC: > population: 18,498,000 (urban area) > passenger trips: 2,655,645,300 (unlinked, so transfering counts the trip > one for each transfer) > average: 143.5 trips per person per year (0.57 per day assuming 250 > working days) just to put it out there, another way to look at that stat: assuming 2 trips per work day for commuting, that is 1,327,822,650 work round trips per year or 5,311,291 man/years of work commuting or 28% of commutes. Obviously there are huge assumptions (including the idea that all 18million people commute to work). No matter how you slice it, though, it is actually a significant portion of the regional transportation. Whether that is a "success" or not is debatable, but I think you'd have to agree that putting that many trips back onto the highways and surface streets would be a problem. A
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