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Re: Replying to list



I am going to be a little nasty on this one, fellas, by breaking all your perfectly held and highly valued netiquette.

First, I hit "Replay All, as per the suggestion in the article.

Second, I am replying without bothering to take the time necessary to edit or adjust any of the content of the e-mail or to go to the bottom of the e-mail while cleaning up the top.

I use MSN Hotmail. Seems MSN Hotmail doesn't work quite the same way your cludgy e-mail clients {oft mentioned in your article} do.

Furthermore, most common users {people who use MSN Hotmail} don't bottom post because MSN Hotmail {and Yahoo! for that matter} both are setup for top posting - like this one.

What else? Oh! I replied all. Goodies. I hope you like recieving two copies of this for your arrogance.

When it comes to making things, we have to ways to do it. We can make them easy, or not.

I can design a great wordprocessor. WordPerfect {the old console version} comes to mind, versus Works {the old console version}. WordPerfect had you learning a new programming language, but it did what it did very well. Works had this alien new concept, A Fully Functional Menu Bar, which allowed you to do everything WordPerfect did, only without the fancy programming language.

Last time I looked, WordPerfect went down the toilet.

There is a legacy of WordPerfect out there still, and I have no idea why it survives.

[Ctrl]+[C] and [Ctrl]+[P].

In WordPerfect, [Ctrl]+[C] and [Ctrl]+[P] were "Cut" and "Paste," respectively. Later, it was observed that different programs handled [Ctrl]+[C] differently. Some were "Cut," others were "Copy." In one program I use, it seems to oscillate between "Cut" and "Copy," and this program was released less then a week ago!

To eliminate this confusion, a company {called Micro$oft, when it still cared about true ease of use} create [Ctrl]+[Ins], [Shift]+[Ins], and [Shift]+[Del], which means, respectively, Copy, Paste, and Cut. This made things *much* easier because each function had it's own key combination that could remain the same if everyone only would use them.

For a while, people did, but someone came along and said "Why do it MicroShaft's way?" and returned to the old confusing way. It's like the old modem communications protocol that everyone agreed was junk. It should have been tossed, but nobody tossed it.

The MicroShaft way, in this instance, works, and nobody does it, so there's still a lot of confusion about cut and copy functions, and I find myself leary of pressing [Ctrl]+[C] becuase I do not know if it will cut or copy.

So, what does this have to do with e-mail?

Well, most e-mailers *I've* seen, which are the typical, consumer models, not the high end uber geeky programmer models that a lot of the arrogant S.O.B. Linux Users with Uber Cool Towers Of Power stuffed with Twenty Thousand Blade Servers All Programmed Myself use, are all very simple. Reply All isn't considered polite, Reply To doesn't send it back to the group, and most Consumers don't want to waste the time cleaning up their e-mails.

I hope you enjoyed all my Consumer Violations of your precious nettiquette. Now that you have screamed bloody murder, perhaps you would reconsider the Reply To: line.

I know! Anyone who * * * D O E S N ' T * * * want to get a reply to their personal inbox {not off the group} could kindly * * * C H A N G E * * * Reply-To for us! If you have to do it manually {as those of us with consumer model clients must do} I'm sure your opinions will change PDQ!

Love & Friendship & Blessed Be!
Lynn Erika Kilroy


From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Replying to list
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:09:51 -0500

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Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:
> If it's not an FAQ, why doesn't this list use the "Reply-to"
> field in the address headers?

http://www.google.com/search?q=munge+reply-to

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

> A couple of times recently I've hit Reply and sent a response to
> the originator, rather than the list - for which I apologise. All
> other - non-Debian - lists to which I subscribe use this field
> and it enables one to concentrate on the message, rather than the
> postman:-)

Competent MUAs (like Mutt/elm and Evolution) have a Reply-to-List
command.

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Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
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