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Re: Using Ubuntu when I'm used to Debian.

On  9 Apr 2006, Hal Vaughan wrote:

> On Sunday 09 April 2006 16:44, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> ...
>> I put some code out there. I make things work better for my
>> packages -- and you, my friend, are reaping the benefits of that
>> labour.  Calling me names just helps me place you in my own
>> estimation.
>> manoj
> I cut the rest of the post because this typifies the heart of all
> you attempt to say.  You are right, there's your way and the wrong
> way, and that's all there is to it -- at least as you put it.  I
> really don't care what your estimation of me is, and can't see why I
> should, or why what you think of me should make any difference in my
> life.  Yet you seem to feel you have some kind of status that makes
> your opinion of others matter to them.

        No. I don't care a shit what you think of me, and I am sure
 that sentiment is reciprocated.  I also don't want  you to do
 anything at all for me -- and vice versa, right?

> The only name I used at all was mercenary.  It is not a good term,
> nor is it a bad term.

        Oh, my. You don't seem to know what that woird means, do you?

  Mercenary \Mer"ce*na*ry\, n.; pl. {Mercenaries}.
     One who is hired; a hireling; especially, a soldier hired
     into foreign service. --Milman.
     [1913 Webster]

        So, if I am a mere mercenary, working on Debian, who exactly
 is it who hired me? Where are the doubloons?

  Mercenary \Mer"ce*na*ry\, a. [OE. mercenarie, F. mercenaire, fr.
     L. mercenarius, fr. merces wages, reward. See {Mercy}.]

        Hmm, reward.
     1. Acting for reward; serving for pay; paid; hired; hireling;
        venal; as, mercenary soldiers.
        [1913 Webster]
     2. Hence: Moved primarily by considerations of pay or profit;
        greedy of gain; sordid; selfish. --Shak.

     Syn: See {Venal}.

        Sordid, Benal and selfish are not bad words?

      3: profit oriented; "a commercial book"; "preached a mercantile
         and militant patriotism"- John Buchan; "a mercenary
         enterprise"; "a moneymaking business" [syn: {mercantile},

        Profit oriented.

        Right, so the primary senses in which the word is used seems
 to have missed the way you used it; apparently you go about insulting
 people by not knowing the meanings of the words you use.

> Yet you want to say I'm calling you names,

        Me, and the dictionary.

> even though you use sarcasm to denigrate any points I make that you
> may disagree with

        You have made points? I must have missed them amidst all the
 whinging.  If you try again, I swear I'll try to pay attention.

> and spend a lot of time touting your status as a Debian maintainer.

        I am not using my status of maintainer as a shield (though a
 wealth of insecurity seems to lie under that notion). I am merely
 saying that I am  doing work on stuff. I am putting the fruits of
 that labor out there.  I listen to feedback, but I only work on stuff
 that is fun.

        If you think that you have some right to demand I work
 differently, I ask: what do you think gives you that?

> Where others have different points of view, you insult rather than

        If these other points of view are mostly critisizing work I
 and others have done, and demanding we change our ways of working, I
 am not sure I need be paying much attention to them.

> discuss and use your status as a maintainer as a shield to hide
> behind against the potential of you possibly being wrong.

        If you get over your inferiority complex of not "being a
 developer", we could potentially move this forward.  The idea is not
 about being a DD or not, the idea is that the people doing unpaid
 work kinda tend to be their own boss. You'd be bettor off with honey
 rather than vinegar.

> If you ever want to discuss this or other issues on facts, with
> people that have a point of view BUT ALSO recognize others might
> have a point, I'd be interested in it, but it is clear, as we used
> to say when I worked in residential treatment, that you are too busy
> shouting from the mountain top about how right you are to dare to be
> quiet long enough to hear another point of view, for fear it might
> have some truth to it.

        You certainly have a right to an opinion. Everyone does. But
 how are just opinions relevant to this discussion?  What exactly is
 it that you think we could be discussing, anyway?


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