Re: Poll: debian-newcomer list [Was: Re: newbies needing help for graphic login]
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 08:02:02PM -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
} Gregory Seidman wrote:
}
} >On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 12:33:11PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
} >} On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0600
} >} Kent West <westk@acu.edu> wrote:
} >} > Andrei Popescu wrote:
} >} > >It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
} >} > >'debian-newcomer' list.
} >[...]
} >} > This gets asked on this list every six months or so; see the archives.
} >} >
} >} > In short, the general consensus is that having a newcomer list is a bad
} >} > idea (for several reasons, which can be found in the archives).
} >} >
} >} > --
} >} > Kent
} >}
} >} I guess i'm a pretty stubborn guy and i want to find this out the hard
} >} way :)
} >
} >The arguments against a newcomers' list include (but are not limited to):
} >
} >1) Who will subscribe to a newcomer list? Newcomers. Maybe a few altruistic
} > souls, but they won't be enough. An awful lot of questions get answered
} > not by gurus, but by ordinary users who simply happen to have run into
} > and solved the issue themselves. Restricting newcomers to their own list
} > is likely to result in more frustration, rather thn less, for the
} > newscomers as they find that their questions are not answered or are
} > answered slowly or, even better, they are referred to debian-user.
} >
} >2) What sorts of questions are suitable for which list? If we could
} > anticipate all the newbie questions and list them as appropriate for
} > the list, wouldn't it make more sense to turn that list into a FAQ and
} > give the answers as well? There are certainly some categories of
} > questions that aren't quite that simple, but are they enough to warrant
} > a separate list?
} >
} >3) If a question isn't appropriate to the newbie list, people will be told
} > to subscribe to debian-user and ask it there. As this happens more
} > often, people will simply get in the habit of sending their questions to
} > both lists at once, which will make the separation of the lists useless
} > and will double the traffic for the poor, altruistic souls who are
} > subscribed to both.
} >
} >4) If a question is sent to debian-user that belongs to the newbie list, it
} > is likely to result in abuse toward the poster. In addition, even the
} > gentlest suggestion to ask on the newbie list is somewhat insulting.
} > This will not make new users feel any more welcome than they are now.
} >
} >There are definitely other reasons, and they have been covered well in
} >previous archived email discussions. I am beginning to feel that we should
} >have, somewhere, a web page with discussion topics that have achieved dead
} >horse status and links to email threads in the archives covering them. At a
} >minimum, this would include:
} >
} >1) a separate newbie list
} >2) mailing list reply-to mangling
} >3) getting rid of non-free
} >4) complaints about debian-user being too high-volume
} >5) munging email addresses for web archives and newsgroup gateways
} >
} >} Andrei
} >--Greg
} >
} >
}
} Hi Greg
}
} I was trying to put up something like this at
} http://people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/du-guidelines.html but never got
} time to finish it up. Would you mind if I copy some lines (word by word)
} from your previous email and work on it?
I'd be delighted to contribute. Please feel free to use anything from my
previous message. Do not feel obligated to credit me, though I wouldn't
mind (please don't use my email address, however).
} Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
--Greg
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