Re: why debian - longer
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Alvin Oga wrote:
> > in my book, there is no significant advantage to make-kpkg + dpkg
..
> part of the install process. I can compile here on my 2Ghz machine and
> install there on my 200Mhz machine with a minimal number of commands
you can do that with any distro ... compile on a big/fast box and
move the resulting binaries in one file to the target and install
in any oen of a hundred ways you want into the target
> preconceptions. dpkg + apt is better than tgz + make. If it weren't then I
> question why anyone who did not feel that way is using Debian instead of
> Slackware. :P
whether one way is better than another is a "user" issue
my comment is, if "everything is (supposedly) taken care of for you":
- why is there so many debian kernel oops
- why is there the same sound problems
- why is there the same printer problems
- why is there the same cdrom problems
= granted that every distro has the same identical probelm
= and the solution to the above problems... fix the installed
files and evertyhing works
= the test i always do ... here's a blank disk, there's the box
- here's 3 distros... go install it
( the blank disk can be a floppy or a hard disk
( and there may or may not be a cdrom
- and no access to google/web ( ie. no outside help )
- the hardware is choosen to address/show/amplify the above
"various problems" of isntalling vs maintaining vs patching
the 5-10 different distro ( hp/sgi/solaris/windoze in the mess too)
- the problem is ... if you do not know what files to change,
you will not be able to fix things .. no matter how smart the pkg
managers and what the different default config files might be
- if you rely too much on the pkg managers, you're becoming
more and more like a windoze-zombie ...
( it works or it doesnt and call tech supp if it doesnt work )
- having everything done for you is good and bad ...
- and if you have a mixture of machines ( like in a real world )...
the debian commands might not be available in the other 80%
( a number out of thing air ) of machines
- the whole point ... the more you understand ..
the more problems one can solve if the defaults didn't work
- if you assume apt-get/dpkg will do everything for you,
i'd say that is exactly the premise that microsoft works
on, they take care of everything for you, the 95% of the
world that is NOT computer-fxing-installing-literate and
whether that is good or bad is another flame war
- if one can show 5-10 ways to do the same thing, and explain why
and how it works and why its broken on the 10 different platforms,
than "you're hired"
- just my dump points .. not a biggie ..
c ya
alvin
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