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Re: Massive increase of spam on debian-*@l.d.o

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On Thursday 06 May 2004 11:30, Paul Johnson, Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.ca>  
> > 1.  Reports from people to stupid or lazy to unsubscribe lists or
> > newsletters they receive.
> If the postmaster of the wrongly-listed site follows through and can
> prove that the reporting person really did subscribe and can prove
> they confirmed the subscription, then the reporter gets fined, or
> banned if they're a persistent false-reporter.

So now the postmaster is responsible for fixing the errors of an organization 
that doesn't feel it is necessary to validate the data they receive...until 
well after the fact?  Garbage in.  Garbage out.  If you are lucky.
> > 2.  Spammers intentionally reporting legitimate mail sources with the
> > intent to keep the number of false positives high enough that people will
> > not risk using spamcop.
> The maintainers watch for this sort of abuse closely and have zero
> tolerence for it.
I wish them luck.

> > In the past few days, I've seen netfilter.org's list and foxnews in
> > spamcop. They were both removed, but the fact remains that they should
> > never have been there to begin with.
> FoxNews has newsletters that don't confirm subscription, they should
> have forseen getting listed fairly universally for handling their
> newsletters the wrong way.

Wow 50% accuracy!  I'm going to start bl.flip-a-coin.org.  I can get better 
results with random numbers.

A list that tests for open relays or proxies, validates its data.  A list that 
includes those who have hit their spamtraps, validates its data.

Spamcop does not validate its data until after the damage is done.  It relies 
on a mob, the members of which (if the posts on the spamcop mail list are an 
indicator), are more interested in venting their anger than in objectively 
determining if an email is spam.
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