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Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??



On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 05:17, Paul Morgan wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 03:49:12 +1100, bob parker wrote:
> > On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:12, Tom wrote:
> >> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:32:47PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
> >> > Good point.  And just because Bill Gates et. al have become hard-nosed
> >> > businessmen, it does not mean they are immoral.
> >>
> >> Microsoft played the exact same role in its origins v. IBM as Linux is
> >> now playing to Microsoft; the upstart, force for freedom.  The PC was a
> >> freedom revolution against the glass house.
> >
> > IBM invented the PC not Microsoft. IBM made the decision to have open
> > standards so that third parties could and did manufacture components and
> > of course the entire assembly itself. Microsoft did not even create
> > MSDOS, they bought it. Sure the PC was a force for freedom, but the
> > credit goes to IBM, all Microsoft have ever done is to constrain that
> > freedom.
> >
> >> That's one of the things that makes me feel squirelly and uncomfortable
> >> about open source; you always have to consider "who gains by this and
> >> what's their motivation".  Any philosophy which cannot account for basic
> >> facts must have foundational weaknesses.
> >
> > Like thinking that Microsoft created the PC for instance?
>
> Thinking that IBM invented the personal computer is not much smarter than
> thinking that Microsoft did.
I never said they did invented the personal computer, just the PC.
It is their product and they own the trade mark of it.
Moreover they wrote open standards so that 3rd parties could build hardware 
for it. That was what commoditised the desktop computer and consequently 
started the revolution.

>
> Ever heard of the Altair?  Or the Apple I and II, the TRS-80 or Commodore
> Pet?

Sure but they are not PCs and as brilliant as they were in their day, they 
were still closed standards.
>
> IBM did popularize the term "PC", but they sure as heck didn't invent the
> personal computer.  And, because they'd bought the rights to the Intel
> 8086, and because of the sheer economic power and brand recognition of
> IBM, we all got stuck with the dreadful Intel segmented memory
> architecture.

Sigh! Yeah I used to program Alpha Micros, built on the Motorola 6800, then 
68000 chips. I'd much rather they went with them.



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