Re: Debian for Joe Average
Ben, this is generally directed at the whole thread, but I had to reply
It's going to be Debian.
For a variety of reasons, Xandros and Libranet
are not really doable. The problem is not the install. I'll be doing
that, and I'm well capable of doing so. The question is which packages.
While I've used KDE / GNOME and the usual suite of desktop apps (Galeon,
Evolution, GAIM, xmms, xine, totem, etc etc etc), I've never bothered
with most of the automagical hardware setup. If I plug in a USB device,
I'll mount it directly, and if I change the soundcard, I'll be quite
happy to fire up make menuconfig and recompile the appropriate modules.
The problem is mainly in hotplug stuff. The last time I to install it, I
ended up with a mess, and discovered it didn't make much difference
anyway - this mainly being due to sheer amount of non-standard-desktop
stuff that my desktop does - Hence my request for suggestions of
(Original poster of thread :)
P.S. Of course, some of this thread has turned into which is the better
distro for newbies / Joe-Average without any support.
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 03:19, Ben Edwards wrote:
> I would go for Debian and install it for them. Once installed debian is
> a breeze (stick to woody and let them loose on aot-get/apt-cache).
> The best bit of advice I have heard for newbees is use the distribution
> your mates use (then when you have got the hang of that make your own
> The easiest to install is probably Mandrake (based on Redhat).
> In fact Knoppix and run the HD install utility is also a quick and easy
> option but the installer is unstable and it is only an option if knopix
> installes/probes OK. And its based on Debian.
> The other thing to bear in mind is alough redhat/mandrake have an
> apt-get type util the packages are not centrely manages so there can be
> incompatibility/dependenct problems.
> ScruLoose wrote:
> >On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 10:37:26AM +0200, sturla wrote:
> >>Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>>On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 22:29, sturla wrote:
> >>>>If I should advice somebody new to Linux, I would say RedHat, that's
> >>>>where I started.
> >>>>RedHat 9 has a great installer and contains anything a normal user
> >>>>will ever need, including OpenOffice.Org.
> >>>Gak! And send him into Dependency Hell?
> >>Hehe, why do you think I made the switch?
> >>I don't say RedHat is better than Debian, but it's easier for Joe
> >>Average to start with.
> >>Some of the problem in the discussion about what distro to use is that
> >>everybody has their favourite and sticks with
> >>it at all cost.
> >Considering that here in this thread (on debian-user, don't forget)
> >there have been recommendations for at least four other distros, I
> >wonder how you can make this claim at all.
> >>As I said, I like Debian, but lets face it: For Joe Average RedHat is
> >>easier to understand at first, so give him that, get him
> >>hooked on the stability of Linux and when you see him tired because he's
> >>been up all night trying to solve dependencies
> >>to install something new THEN tell him about Debian and apt.
> >Your entire argument seems to be based on the assumption that there are
> >only two choices: You can have ease of use (RedHat/Mandrake) OR you can
> >have apt (Debian).
> >This assumption is false.
> >If our friend Joe installs Xandros, or Libranet (or Knoppix?); he gets
> >BOTH the ease of use of a newbie-friendly system for the desktop user
> >AND an apt-based system. In what arena can RedHat compete with this?
> >This has two immediately obvious benefits for Joe: First, if he uses
> >his system for a couple years and a new version of his distro is
> >released, he can buy the new version, drop the CD in the tray, do a
> >dist-upgrade, go for coffee, and continue with a working system.
> >Second, if he turns out to be a little more tech-oriented than we
> >thought and starts peeking under the hood, he'll be learning the
> >*right* system, rather than giving himself ulcers by messing with RPMs.
> >If you wait until poor Joe's been up all night trying to install
> >something before you inform him about apt, you risk losing him back to
> > Cheers