Martin writes: > Right, but there's also pppd's active-filter, so echo-request in my case > actually wouldn't cause a link-up event. That handicaps ping, so it isn't a general solution. -- John Hasler john@dhh.gt.org Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org