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Re: Debian S-L-O-W Upgrading



(note: I am speaking as a Debian developer and 5 year Debian user)

On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 10:36:24PM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote:
> I realize that the all-volunteer nature of Debian means that testing and
> such take much longer. And that the testing results in a more stable
> distro.

I believe that to be a lame excuse.  I think the real problem is that
there is not much actual coordination of what will go into the next
release.  Debian doesn't set release goals.  The development process is
typically more like "Ready.  Set.  CODE!" and you're off, hacking on
unstable until the release manager starts talking about a freeze.

FreeBSD, another free OS development group that I'm in touch with, has
made 3 stable releases since Debian last made one.  FreeBSD is, like
Debian, essentially all volunteer (there are a few people in each
organization who work full time on project-related stuff).  FreeBSD,
like Debian, has a strong reputation for stability, security, and
reliability.

I believe that being so outdated actually harms the Debian development
process.  There are "unofficial" packages available for running things
like X Free86 4.x and kernel 2.4.x with potato.  These unofficial
packages are put together by Debian developers.  Couldn't these peoples'
time better be spent actually working on official project related tasks
rather than propping up an outdated release in order to hold people over
until a new one can be pushed out?

I am not sure what needs to change.  I am not sure it's even worth
talking about what needs to change, because there's no sign that the
release manager is open to discussion of the matter.

> 
> So I guess my question is: what do you other Debian users do to resolve
> the long lead times for Debian releases?
> 

Some people run woody.  I have it on one of my machines.  Some people
take a potato system and install the unofficial packages to run kernel
2.4.x or X 4.x on potato.  I've done this on several systems.  It's also
possible to get the source to a given package and build it locally
(apt-get -b source <foo>).  This often takes a bit of tweaking, since
some of the Debian build environment has changed between potato and
woody, but the results are usually quite good.

noah

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