on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 06:16:19PM -0500, Rich Puhek (rpuhek@etnsystems.com) wrote: > "Karsten M. Self" wrote: > > > > Biggest browser beefs: > > > > - Stability. Quit with the fucking crashing already. Don't lose my > > stuff (this includes state). ***STABILITY IS NOT OPTIONAL*** > > > > - Speed. Render. Quickly. Load. Quickly. Stop. Quickly. Ties > > strongly to lightweight code as well. > > > > - Standards compliant. Support standards. Don't promote > > proprietarysms.. > > > > - Dependencies. Codependency sucks. > > > > - Bloat. A browser. Not a fucking kitchen sink, thank you very > > much. > > > > - Privacy. Allow me to control cookies, Java, Javascript. Support > > SSL. Default mode should maximise privacy. Don't do shit behind > > my back. > > > > - Security. Strong overlap with above. > > > > - Plugins. Suck. Third party apps should launch as same. They > > should *NOT* launch within my browser. Flash sucks. Period. > > > > - Unobtrusive. Stay out of my face. Do what I say. > > > > - Configurability. Allow my to configure: fonts, scaling steps, > > colors, animation handling (none), proxies, cookie/java/javascript > > handling (none, by default), preferred mail/news/telnet/ftp apps. > > > <SNIP> > Whew! I thought I was the only one who had a hard time understanding > why a web browser, really a HTML --that's Hyper TEXT Markup Language, > yes kids, that means a way to make boring old text look kinda snazzy-- > decides to consume well over 10MB just to get off the ground! More of > us need to scream about the above to Netscape et al. > > To your list I'd add: > > - Cache. It should work properly... if I've got a few MB set aside > on my HD, why redownload an entire page just 'cause I resized my > window? First: no. Caching and browsing are separate tasks. Caching is much better handled at your local gateway than within each application. I park Squid on my masqueradinging firewall proxy, and access the same cache from various user IDs on various boxen. Cache performance *increases* under load, it's better to share than not. And caching is easy to get wrong -- the built-in caching of most browsers sucks. Second: modern browswers (mozilla, galeon, skipstone, konqueror, w3m, and even IE) don't do a reload on resize. Most of these work pretty damned transparently. Though I'm finding M18-3 fscks up on font resizing, which is a pain. There should be a redraw/re-render that's independent of reload. Early Netscape had this. > - Configurability/Privacy: Let's figure out a cleaner way to say I > want to save cookies for /. or similar sites and not for every > other site under the sun. > > - Cookies: Let me know if A site is offering cookies (if I so > chose), but don't stop the whole show with a damn dialog box a > million times just because the frickin site wants to give me the > equivilent of a big bag of Double-Stuff(tm) > > - Banners. I hate when a simple little web page that should take 5 > seconds to load over a modem connection takes over a minute on a > T1... just cause > ads1.joesannoyingdiscountbanneradshere.com/cgi-bin/ads1234/crappyscript.cgi?makelotsofmoney=123456789oopsbadform > doesn't happen to be responding at the moment. Most of this can be addressed through a proxy such as Junkbuster. Where exactly to set this information is a bit difficult. Sharing filters across multiple users can be problematic when needs don't coincide. Setting the same data for multiple applications for a single user is a pain. I'd prefer to see a server which respected user-specific (and possibly site-specific) rulesets. > Gotta agree most with Stability and Standards. A single page of "bad" > HTML shouldn't sink all of H.M.S Netscape. That and "bad" HTML really > shouldn't exist. Yes, I was about to argue that that's really the > designer's fault, but browser-specific tags is what got us into this > mess. I'd also like to see a little less of "lets jump all over the latest plugin" bandwagon crap. The only truly useful Flash and Java stuff I've seen would have been better served in a freestanding VM. "Active content" in a single page is generally far more harm than good. -- Karsten M. Self <kmself@ix.netcom.com> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org
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