Re: <rant> grub <\rant>
Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
>
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Joost van der Lugt wrote:
>
> > Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Gerd Arlitt wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The info pages are fine but i needed more info and found it in the
> > > > > May 2001 Linux Journal and at the IBM linux tutorials site:
> > > > > http://www.cn.ibm.com/developerWorks/education/linux/l-grub_eng/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This site did not work for me "Directory browsing failed - access forbidden"
> > > >
> > > Do a search for "grub" under the Linux section on developerWorks.
> > > It's a tutorial that you'll have to register for.
> > >
> >
> > This is all fine, and this is all in the "we are intelligent, we can
> > figure it out" spirit.
> > But basic installation of software should _not_ be hard to figure out,
> > there are probably plenty more programs this applies to, and my guess is
> > grub will be fixed, if not by the programmers of it, then by the
> > distributions that will distribute it, by means of the install scripts
> > and/or configuration scripts.
>
> Well, this may be true - but the discussion list exists to help
> people deal with Debian GNU/Linux AS IT IS, not as you WISH it was.
> Griping about it DOES NOT HELP. Unless you have a useful suggestion,
> why not keep it to yourself? "Better documentation, easier to use"
> is NOT a suggestion - and it's certainly not a new idea.
The list is called debian-user, I tend to think it is very informative
if someone posts the fact that a package may not work well unless you
are willing to go through a lot of trouble.
Better documentation, easier to use are your words, not mine, I gave
detailed instructions as to were the bugs were, because yes, any
software that needs decent documentation to be used, and doesn't provide
this, I consider _buggy_.
Just look at the 'newbie' questions, and how good the oldies feel about
calling them stupid. (example: Re: dpkg: Update failures 04/23/01)
>
> Since I could find no reason why you felt the need to switch from LILO
> to Grub, was LILO not working for you? If LILO worked, why switch?
Didn't have to, just tried.
>
> > If I am not running Irix, MacOS (or other weird stuff) and Linux on one
> > box it just should not be any trouble to configure.
>
> I want to see the box that runs both IRIX and MacOS... :)
Me too, nice example isn't it.
>
> > I am probably singing a different tune than is commonly sung in the
> > linux community, but I do think it is about time for that tune:)
> >
> > Enough:-)
>
> Yes, it certainly is.
>
> Take care,
You too,
>
> Zonker
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Joost van der Lugt
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