Re: Debian 'crashes'
Michiel Meeuwissen wrote:
>
> Ragga Muffin <ragga@pyxis23.ec.t.kanazawa-u.ac.jp> wrotes:
> > Daniel Reuter <reuter@Uni-Hohenheim.DE> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Michiel Meeuwissen wrote:
> > > > It seems that a way to accomplish this is running apt-get upgrade,
> > > > netsape and seti at the same time, in my computer (potato, PIII 500 64
> > > > Mb).
> > >
> > > On Netscape's webpage they strongly recommend at least 64 Mb of RAM for
> > > use of Netscape with Linux. So if you run Netscape AND another
> > > resource-eating program on a 64 Mb machine, you can expect high loads, at
> > > least at startup.
> >
> > True in a sense, but I can use Nscape 4.5 and plenty of apps including
> > dselect/apt on a Cyrix166 with 32Mb.
> > No. There's something REALLY weird if Michiel bogs his PIII-500/64Mb
> > with that...
> >
> > > Simpler solution: Don't start Netscape if you don't really, really need
> > > it.
>
> I never really, really need it, but well, it's simply handy to have it
> running.
>
> >
> > If you don't use it, it'll be swapped to disk, so that's not really
> > a solution, just a little band-aid.
> >
> > Michiel, post some more details here, like kernel version, swap-size,
> > window/desktop manager etc.
> >
> > I strongly suspect some hardware/driver problem here.
>
> kernel: Linux warande1124 2.2.14 #1 Sat Jan 29 10:53:47 CET 2000 i686 unknown
> swap-size: /dev/hda3 332 364 133056 82 Linux swap
> window manager: fvwm
> X: XF86_Mach64
>
> I'm pretty sure that it is a matter of memory exhaustion. Netscape leaks
> memory until memory + swap are full, and everything gets terribly slow. I
> certainly does not leak memory always, but I didn't found out yet what I
> have to to to let it start Perhaps it has to do with other runing programs
> as well.
>
> Anyhow, I know that netscape is buggy, and I only want that it does not hang
> the whole system in such a case.
>
> I added a line
> * hard rss 10000
>
> to /etc/security/limits.conf, but I've no clear understanding what it means.
> If I make '10000' very small, like '10' or so, then I can't do much (e.g.
> man won't work anymore), so I have the impression that it does something.
> But would it do anything to a program like netscape as well?
>
> greetings,
>
> Michiel
>
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>
Since I upgraded to NS4.72, I've had no problems with hangs or
memory leaks from Netscape. When I was running 4.5 back on my
old 486/100(50Mb) it would be very unstable, eat memory, all
the stuff you're describing. The upgrade fixed it :-)
Catch my drift? -maybe it would be easier to download and
install a more stable version, than experimenting with
limiting ressources and all sorts of trickery.
Netscape is (was) known to be very unstable and eat ram. Look
at the list a year ago, you will find lots of ref's to this
subject...
Running smooth on my PII350/128Mb/potato/2.2.14/fvwm/mach64.
hth
Vitux
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