Thanks for helping with the old mail probs. I was under hte impression that because I needed fetchmail to collect from a pop3 server then smail using smtp wouldn't send. But then I'm very new to 'real' mail only ever having used Miscrsoft stuff before. Apologies to everyone who mentioned wrapping, I'm still not certain how different mail readers cope. Does anyone know of a mail reader for html mail? I might need one.