Re: installation types (was: "Re: Debian (fwd)")
The hole reason for the original post was that we have some major bugs
with 0.91. Install via NFS is IMPORTANT since there are forty-five linux
users here on campus and we all have a net connection. We still archive
the software on the server for every one else but why should there be
forty-five copies of the distribution. The original post was for BUGS and
also how our SYS OP doesn't like things with major bugs. We install
everything onto a machine that was running slackware until we deleted it
off to start over with debian. He is by no means incompetent on U*ix
systems. He has run the sun lab for quite some time and also VAXes. The
point was If slackware can mount via NFS why can't DEBIAN. If there is a
big problem with it ask the founder of slackware he can tell you how to
do it or just read the code on his package tool for an IDEA. This is not
a flame or anything else at Ian he has been duing a wonderful job and I
am sure the net would like him to continue his work. What was meant was
we have room for one or the other DEBIAN or SLACKWARE if debian does not
work then we will have to drop it and go back to slackware until we get
more drive space........(The order was placed a long time ago. :-)
thats it no more!
On Tue, 1 Feb 1994, Daniel Quinlan wrote:
>
> kilroy@ms.uky.edu writes:
>
> > 2. This person wanted to install from a tape, I want to install over
> > my modem, Dan wants to install over then net(SLIP), I _really_
> > think this needs to be addressed. Now, Dans argument for not
> > having this is that it doesnt belong in the base dist.. well
> > this is true(maybe). So why not just do this: have these things
> > on one or two install disks, but dont copy them over..
> > NetBSD does this very well (except it copies all the stuff over).
>
> I think I should have been more clear in my objections. I do not want
> to *install* Debian over SLIP to my machine. I might want to *get*
> Debian over the net, but installing over the net is, in most cases, a
> bad practice. The "getting" should be independant of the "installing".
>
> I do believe that Debian should support the widest possible range of
> firm media. That includes various tapes, floppies, and CD-ROMs.
> These should come first. More people will utilize these than any
> NFS-based or other peculiar installation procedure. Installing should
> be done from media, not the net.
>
> It is also a poor idea, IMHO, to install Debian or maintain a Debian
> Linux system without a local copy of Debian packages.
>
> The only form of network-based installation that Debian should perhaps
> employ (in the future) is an NFS-based installation -- designed with
> the intent to use it on a LAN only.
>
> Debian should not try to support network-based installations at this
> time. Trying to add this in a bug-free state would be impossible.
> Even with the current installation procedure, there are still bugs
> that are being worked out. Introducing network-based modifications
> would create problems for everyone. I can't even get a simple SLIP
> connection up with some recent kernels. Now is *not* the time to do
> this.
>
> > You may shoot this down and say "just copy it to floppies buddy!"
> > people, including me, in the real world dont want to mess with a ton
> > of floppies. If you want to install over the net currently, this is
> > what you have to do. Grab the install disk and 2 base disks, 4 devel
> > disks, containing gcc binutil make etc.. and the kernel, and a net disk.
> > Then recompile the kernel reboot then ftp of nfs the other 15 disk..
> > Yes this saves me some time. But it _could_ be made a lot easier..
> > If you want to be commercial grade, installing from tape and the net
> > need to be supported, Ill I ask is that we throw in serial
> > support too :)
>
> Yes, floppies are a mess and I would also like it if Debian was
> distributed on tape, but installing from the net on a one-shot basis
> is just not wise. Most commercial UNIX systems require you to install
> the OS on each and every machine rather than on a central server.
> With a portable CD-ROM or tape drive, this is easy to do.
>
> If Ian wants to compile NFS into the kernel then that is fine, but
> Debian should at no time make any claims to support NFS based
> installations until such time that complete and bugless support is
> added for LAN installations through NFS.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Daniel Quinlan <quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu>
>
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