Re: [work] Integrity of Debian packages
On Fri, 2003-03-07 at 15:37, Peter Cordes wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 02:09:02PM -0500, Gary MacDougall wrote:
> >
> > You can quote Ben Franklin all you want, but Ben Franklin's world was a
> > far simpler, easy to
> > undersand and clearly not as geographical world as ours is today.
> >
> > I'm sure if Ben was alive today, he'd have a much more "updated" and
> > relative quote than a quote
> > that was intended for the times he lived in.
> >
> > Quoting someone who lived in the 1700's is certainly interesting, but
> > rememeber, these are the same
> > folks that enslaved blacks and killed Indian's. Time's have changed,
> > the world is different.
>
> I do admit that you have a point there. If the US founding fathers had
> said things that supported revoking freedoms, I and others would be
> complaining of their irrelevance to todays world. It's still and
> interesting idea, but it's not at all a complete argument for freedom.
The reason people today quote Ben Franklin is because the issues he and
his fellow revolutionaries dealt with are still relevant. This specious
attempt to paint him as irrelevant is as decadent as it is pathetic and
self-serving. Worthy of a Sunday-morning U.S. TV show.
> According to some, the US has become a police state for some minorities,
> and for the unfortunate few who are (rightly or wrongly) suspected of
> something. Doing that to them so you can be "free" doesn't seem fair. I
> wouldn't turn my country (Canada) into a police state for some residents no
> matter what. I would rather be killed by terrorists than live in a police
> state. (Of course, I'm not going to go out and kill myself, because I know
> that wouldn't actually prevent a police state.)
>
> The thing you have to remember is that some of the things put into place
> will hit some people more than others. You might not want to visit
> relatives in Afghanistan, but some people do. Giving up their freedom for
> your safety seems to be what is going on, but people don't seem to admit that.
Take it from me as a life-long canadian and life-long target of the
canadian and U.S. political secret police: Canada is indeed a police
state -- and has been since before you and I were born.
Goes double for the U.S. Only difference is: now it's *official*.
Elections are a tightly-controlled farce: one dollar, one vote,
effectively. This is why things never really seem to change -- while
faces come and go.
-- And of _course_ this concerns Debian security. Most definitely.
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