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Re: Proposal: Debian Science mailing lists

On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 13:29 +1000, Drew Parsons wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 08:33 -0400, Manjusha Joshi wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Brett Viren <bv@bnl.gov> wrote:
> >         Sylvestre Ledru <sylvestre@debian.org> writes:
> >         
> >         > == Proposal ==
> >         >
> >         > I would like to propose the following:
> >         > * move all packaging related discussions to
> >         > debian-science-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org
> >         > * use debian-science@lists.debian.org only for user oriented
> >         discussions
> >         > * make sure that all the commit mails are sent on
> >         > debian-science-maintainers-commits@lists.alioth.debian.org
> >         >
> > Benefit is we also get updates about packages and that is really
> > useful for us. 
> > As Linux user cannot remain only user, need to do system admin level
> > work also for scientific packages.
> > Second thing is,  after making 2 separate list will there be increase
> > in the user level queries? At present there are hardly user related
> > queries.
> In practice I'm inclined to disagree with the proposal.  That is, in one
> sense it arguably makes sense in principle to keep packing discussions
> separate from user discussions.  But I agree with Manjusha that
> a) it could be useful to have the user's perspective on packaging
> questions
> b) users could potential find it useful to hear what we're up to and
> what decisions we're making on packages. They will be affected by those
> decisions.
> c) I haven't noticed that many user-level discussions anyway.  What
> problem are we trying to solve here?  Have user discussions been impeded
> by packaging discussions? Is it the intention of the proposal to
> encourage more user discussion by shifting out all packaging discussion?
> For myself personally, I tend to find it easier to have just the one
> list to have to think about.  Although it's easy enough to set up
> another email filter just as I already have for debian-science.

FWIW I agree with Drew on this.  It's hard to segregate user queries
from packaging queries, and many "user discussions" probably belong on
the lists of the individual projects, as Manjusha mentioned this
morning.  (Indeed, I see a lot of Debian- and Ubuntu-related questions
on forums such as FreeCAD and Elmer.)

Debian is about packaging software, not generating it, and users who
come to Debian lists will probably want to discuss that packaging, not
the software itself.  Can the proponents of this proposal please
describe what kinds of discussions would belong on debian-science if we
decide to make the change?

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