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Re: Thoughts about vnc-java



Hi all,

Am Dienstag, den 03.11.2020, 18:11 +0100 schrieb Sven Geuer:
> Hi Mike,
> 
> Am Dienstag, den 03.11.2020, 09:39 +0000 schrieb Mike Gabriel:
> > Hi Sven,
> > 
> > On  Mo 02 Nov 2020 18:59:13 CET, Sven Geuer wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Mike and Ola,
> > > 
> > > Am Sonntag, den 01.11.2020, 09:45 +0100 schrieb Ola Lundqvist:
> > > > Hi
> > > > 
> > > > Transitional is the safest approach but I can live with
> > > > removing
> > > > it.
> > > > 
> > > > / Ola
> > > > 
> > > > Den fre 30 okt. 2020 21:19Mike Gabriel <
> > > > mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de>
> > > > skrev:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > On  Fr 30 Okt 2020 21:03:45 CET, Sven Geuer wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hello Ola, Mike and Team,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Looking at the upstream source code and the tightvnc-java
> > > > > > changelog
> > > > > > vnc-java [1] is a predecessor of tightvnc-java [2]. The
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > major
> > > > > > difference seems to be that vnc-java is the companion
> > > > > > package
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > another server package, vncserver, instead of
> > > > > > tighvncserver.
> > > > > > vncserver
> > > > > > in turn disappeared from Debian during 2010, if my findings
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > correct.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The functionalities of vnc-java and tightvnc-java are the
> > > > > > same,
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > the calls differ:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > /usr/bin/jvncviewer                           versus
> > > > > /usr/bin/jtightvncviewer
> > > > > > /usr/share/java/vncviewer.jar                 versus
> > > > > /usr/share/java/tightvncviewer.jar
> > > > > > /usr/share/vnc-java/vncviewer.jar             versus
> > > > > /usr/share/tightvnc-java/VncViewer.jar
> > > > > > CODE=vncviewer.class
> > > > > > ARCHIVE=vncviewer.jar versus  CODE=tightvncviewer.VncViewer
> > > > > > ARCHIVE=VncViewer.jar
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Would it make sense to convert vnc-java into a transitional
> > > > > > package, to
> > > > > > bring the still existing users (see popcon [3]) over to
> > > > > > tightvnc-
> > > > > > java?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Or, as upstream is not available any more, ignore the
> > > > > > upstream
> > > > > > code and
> > > > > > make it using tightvnc-java as its backend to do the real
> > > > > > job?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Or even make it a native Debian package using tightvnc-java
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > its
> > > > > > backend to do the real job?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Or, ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > How about simply removing vnc-java from Debian?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I wouldn't trust popcon that much here. Do you have any other
> > > > > evidence
> > > > > that the package is really used by people (or by dependent
> > > > > packages).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Old and unmaintained code should be removed from Debian.
> > > > > 
> > > > > One could think about shipping a wrapper script named
> > > > > jvncviewer
> > > > > that
> > > > > mimicks the command link syntax of the executable in vnc-java
> > > > > but
> > > > > wraps around jtightvncviewer.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Except from that... Dump it, I'd say. (But that is just one
> > > > > single
> > > > > opinion, maybe others have other thoughts on this).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mike
> > > @Mike: The popcon numbers is the only evidence I could find of
> > > vnc-
> > > java
> > > being in use. No other package refers to vnc-java.
> > > 
> > > I am fine with removing the package too. Not sure whether this
> > > happens
> > > automatically at some point in time.
> > > 
> > > Sven
> > 
> > As Ola said, there is a specific procedure for the removal of
> > packages  
> > from testing/unstable (removal request filed as a bug against the  
> > ftp.debian.org virtual package).
> > 
> > Will you handle this? Or shall I?
> 
> I'll handle this. Another chance to learn about the Debian Project.

Done. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=973709.

> 
> Sven
> 
> 
> > Mike

Sven

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