Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org> writes: >>> I do not want *this* assistance, thanks. I think we played this charade >>> long enough. By now, everyone should know that you don't like the way >>> the release team has done its work, you have saved face and no one will >>> say that you only criticize the RT without spending any time. On the >>> other hand, this games wastes both your and our time, so I don't see the >>> point in continuing. >> I'm sorry you feel that way, but thank you for your honesty. I will >> concentrate my efforts elsewhere. > Well, whatever the background is and the way it came out, Context is <[🔎] 87r5nkt0bu.fsf@solon.marcbrockschmidt.de> and the following mails; the mails before are, eh, not helpful. > I have to say that I found Clint's summary very interesting and > useful. Is it the right way to go to finally not use it? I did not say that we would not use it as a basis, but it's clearly not helpful if Clint writes a text we consider unfit for publication. This is the expected outcome, as Clint has a fundamentally different view of the release process. He can obviously not function as someone writing release updates for us as long as he considers most of what we do "iffy ethically". For me, personally, the situation is quite uncomfortable. While I can understand that Clint is not happy with the current state of the Debian release process (a feeling I share), I cannot say that I believe that this is my fault - I simply wasn't around for much of the past year. On the other hand, Clint does not offer to help us with most of the work - he expresses that he considers most of what we do unneeded, a restriction of the freedom of DDs and whatnot (consider, for example, his questions on -vote and comments on various IRC channels). The "help" he provided was drafting a release update containing a fleshed out variant of various notes on -release@ldo and #-release, starting with a clear "feel free to not care" notice. While I am sure he invested some time in this, he made sure to express his disinterest in the release process. The criticism, on the other hand, is quite horrible. Most of what he says is worded in socially acceptable terms, nonetheless leaving everyone involved in the release team with the feeling that we are a quite horrible bunch of dictators ordering the rest of the project around, for no gain at all. I can understand his unhappiness with the current state, but I don't consider his communication style to be helpful. I respect Clint and his work, and while not understanding his agenda, I believe that in his Debian work, he always tries to improve Debian. Based on his statements from the past weeks, I suspect that he does not think the same of me. This is a problem for me, because I prefer to believe that I can help Debian in some way. I'm managing not to write mails like the one that started this thread, but I can understand how Luk reached this point. This is, obviously, a quite personal assessment of the situation. I don't think it should be a start of a public discussion. If you want to answer, consider sending a private mail. Marc
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