Re: Moving KLog to Testing
Hi,
I'm very sorry I was harsh to you. It is not fair to reply the way I did
when one is sure the other side is not maliciously trying to make one
unhappy, because you'll end up stealing their fun instead, of which I'd
be very ashamed. So, I apologize.
However, you do need to get told the things you were told, in a way that
doesn't make you think I want you to leave the project (which I don't,
but which is very different from me wanting you to redo NM; I don't like
the way you bundle the two together in your mail).
I have been unnecessarily rude to you, but I also think that by not
taking up on the hints that you need to make an effort to improve your
knowledge about critical matters in Debian development, you are being
unnecessarily rude to the rest of the developers.
Maybe if my tone had been different, you would have gone to the d-d-a
archives and read why your package can't migrate to testing at this
stage of the release cycle, and would have asked a co-maintainer why
klog can't migrate to testing without hamlib. I'm sorry if I prevented
you from doing those two things, and I invite you to accept my apologies
*and* do those two simple things now.
If you can't find anybody to explain you the second item, please reply
to this mail and I'll explain it to you, if you'll accept the explanations
from me now.
For me, it's not a matter of getting upset for people wasting my time,
but of feeling insulted by people not making an effort to be a good
citizen in this community. (And if somebody thinks I haven't been a good
citizen myself with my previous message, I'll apologize to them as well.)
Cheers,
---
> Relax Adeodato...
> It may be seems difficult but it is possible, believe me ;-)
> Maybe I has forgotten something... I really do not pretend to know
> everything about Debian develop. I would like to but I don't know
> everything and sometimes I may make some errors... lucky you that you
> don't.
> However I read the following sentence: "Not touching package, as requested
> by freeze (contact debian-release if update is needed)" in the excuses
> page of KLog[1].
> So I just thought that contacting debian-release could be the solution, it
> seems that it is not. Thank you for your help.
> Yes, I though that maybe the debian-release team could move a package to
> testing. Dependencies of KLog in testing are not satisfied but just
> because of the hamlib's version in unstable. KLog work even with the
> stable hamlib.
> I supposed that people in this mailing list could help or at least send me
> some links to learn how I could work to put KLog in testing if it is
> possible (maybe forcing the dependencies to a lower version of hamlib) as
> I suppose people in this list knows about that kind of issue. I though it
> is not the first time you have to deal with something like this.
> If you don't want to loose your time, don't do it Adeodato but I am sure
> you can be more polite, even if you think I should leave the project or
> redo the NM.
> Relax... and, if I can suggest something I would like to tell you to enjoy
> developing and allow others to do it. Debian develop has to be fun or many
> people will leave the project. I am sure this is not your objective.
> Regarding my activity in the list, this is the SECOND mail I am sending...
> so the time you have lost because of my messages here is not much.
> I will not enter in a flamewar. I simply don't understand, what I think,
> your overreaction.
> Sorry for any inconveniences.
> Regards.
> Jaime
> [1] http://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=klog
> > I would like to reply to your message in a calmly way, but it's proving
> > very difficult, because this is not the first nor the second time you do
> > something akin to this. Ignorance is not outrageous, not at all, but
> > repeated failure to take up on the suggestions that yours needs
> > addressing,
> > certainly is.¹
> > (¹) For those reading along, much of this happened in the devel-spanish
> > mailing list AFAICR.
> > You lack knowledge about a lot of things a Developer should know about.
> > I don't know if you used to know about them back when you did NM, and
> > you forgot, or what happened there. I would like to tell you: «If you
> > feel your lack of knowledge is preventing you from exercising your DD
> > duties with responsibility and sucess, perhaps you should consider
> > unofficially redoing NM.» But I'm not going to say that, because it's
> > obvious you wouldn't deem it necessary. So I'm going to say to you: «You
> > really need to clue up, and a good way would be grabbing the NM templates,
> > read upon the subjects covered, and have your answers reviewed by some
> > AM.»
> > If you fail to clue up, I'll find it very hard to reply constructively
> > to your (admittedly not very frequent) mails on this list, so I'll just
> > pass and let some other person deal with them. That surely works.
> > In case you're wondering what the hell I'm talking about:
> > * either you are not subscribed to debian-devel-announce, or you are
> > not reading messages sent to it, or you are reading them but
> > ignoring the part where I asked people not to waste my time, or you
> > outsmarted me for I became enlightened that this may not be a waste
> > of my time after all.
> > * you seem to believe that the Release Team can put packages in
> > testing even if their dependencies will not be satisfied, because
> > the package will work regardless of what dpkg may think of the
> > matter. Believing that is bad, very very bad.
> > With kind regards,
> > ---
> >> Hello all, good night,
> >> I am writting to you because I have seen here:
> >> http://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=klog
> >> That I could contact you if needed.
> >> Well, I think it is needed.
> >> KLog depends on hamlib but its dependency is not for the unstable
> >> release
> >> of hamlib. The testing hamlib is enough for KLog.
> >> The new versions of KLog fixes bugs and I really thing that KLog should
> >> be
> >> moved to testing.
> >> Is anything that can be done to add KLog to testing?
> >> Thank you very much.
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Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es
Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org
As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand.
-- Josh Billings
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