Hi, On 14.07.2014 14:31, Laura Arjona wrote:
Hi everybody El 14/07/14 13:16, Silvia Frank escribió:Hello Debian website team, on the Debian publicity list we discussed how we can make Debian deployments more visible. What do you think about following suggestions concerning https://www.debian.org/users/ ?:Oh great, I never notice this page on the Debian website until now.Maybe we could make a link from the frontpage to the "user site"? Is it possible to highlight the freshest or outstanding deployments, e.g. in abox at the right side beside the list? The list of deployments is very long and some of the entries seem very old, and I think visitors are more motivated to click, if they can see, which are the latest.Highlighting the user testimonials on the front page sounds like an interesting idea. Unfortunately there is no machine-readable date information in users section of the webwml CVS repository, so the highlighting would need to be manual and we can't automatically sort by date until that is fixed. Probably the highlighting would need to be manual anyway? Could you make a mockup of how it might look? This topic should be discussed on the debian-www list anyways. https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwml/webwml/english/users/ https://www.debian.org/devel/website/ https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/Ah ok, this makes even small changes intricate. So maybe for the first it is the easiest to put at the start site a link "Debian deployments" or "Debian users" which goes to:https://www.debian.org/users/ . The link could be in the first column of links:About <http://www.debian.org/intro/about> Social Contract <http://www.debian.org/social_contract> Code of Conduct <http://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct> Free Software <http://www.debian.org/intro/free> Partners <http://www.debian.org/partners/> Users Donations <http://www.debian.org/donations> Contact Us <http://www.debian.org/contact>I agree about the place, but I would call that link "Who's using Debian?" (the title of the page). "Debian users" looks confusing to me (if I'm a Debian user looking for help desk, I would probably click there), and "Debian deployments" also suggests documentation for sysadmins wanting to deploy Debian IMHO.
Yes, good point! So the link on the start site "https://www.debian.org"; should be "Who's using Debian?" and placed in the first column of links:
About <http://www.debian.org/intro/about> Social Contract <http://www.debian.org/social_contract> Code of Conduct <http://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct> Free Software <http://www.debian.org/intro/free> Partners <http://www.debian.org/partners/> Who's using Debian? <https://www.debian.org/users/> Donations <http://www.debian.org/donations> Contact Us <http://www.debian.org/contact>If there are no objections, could one of the web editors make this change, please?
And on https://www.debian.org/users/ we integrate at the right side a simple box, where we put in newest and outstanding deployments. Attached you find a very simple (pdf/ libre office-)draft, how it could look. The background colour of the box should be the same blue as on top of the side behind the Debian logo. I also shorten a bit the intro (alsobecause the entries are not listed alphabetically :-) - what do you think?Mmm new people sending "Who's using Debian" info may not mean that they just began using Debian, maybe they use it since years, and just now they decided to talk about it. I'm not sure if it's ok to highlight certain deployments just because they recently sent a mail to us, in any case I wouldn't call it "Fresh deployments". Maybe "Recent testimonials"? I'm not sure, since they are not "testimonials", "recomendations"... "Recent submissions" gives machine-feeling, not human touch. I'm not native English speaker so I'm afraid I cannot help better on this.
I agree, deployments should not be highlighted just because they sent a mail. It is more about "prominent" deployments such as Debian at ISS... The idea behind such a "highlightings" is to give visitors a faster overview, because the list of Debian users is so long and some entries are really old (e.g. sarge). To integrate such a box should be a small effort and can be a start to make https://www.debian.org/users/ a bit more attractive.
I guess very few people will scroll down the list. If somebody is interested in using Debian and wants to look for similar deployments. So we should think about integrating a search function at this site instead of a map.
Although I think it is a nice idea to visualise this site more. I think visitors of this site first want to see 1. type of organisation (already visible at the website) 2. extent/ dimension of the deployment (how many servers/ users) 3. Services Debian provides (such as: mail server, webserver...). Maybe we should think about how this can be visualised? I think visitors should have the possibility to use these parameters for browsing through the listed Debian use cases.
Regards, Silvia
To make the page more attractive, maybe create a map with the countries/cities, similar to https://www.debian.org/devel/developers.loc ? I suppose somebody should manually enter the coordinates or search for the coordinates of cities/countries, but maybe we can explain to the user how to gather coordinates and send to us (the same as it's explained for developers), if they want to appear in the map.Other info related to this topic:https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=600902 (RSS for users page, and map)My two cents Laura Arjona https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjonaI know a lot of time has been spent on the website over the years. But anyway, I think in a longterm perspective it would make a lot of things much easier and faster (and "up-to-date-looking" ;-)), if the Debian website would be based on a CMS like Typo3 or Drupal. Maybe we should give this a thought ;-)? Cheers, Silvia.