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Re: Censorship in Debian



On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:

On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 03:43:33PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
It sure seems that, in some sectors, disagreement is offensive, and offense
trumps substance.  (One might point to our current President in that regard,
as well.)
I kind of wonder if Debian is headed that way - given the way the discussion
on systemd went, not that long ago.
I don't know where you've gotten the impression that the systemd discussion
implies Debian does not tolerate disagreement.

*Respectful* disagreement has always been tolerated regarding Debian's
choice of default init system.  What should not be tolerated (and all of
these have actually occurred on Debian mailing lists, which is why this is a
sore subject) is:

  - accusations that members of the TC have sold out to a particular
    commercial entity
  - refusal to accept the decision that was made in accordance with the
    Debian constitution
  - attempts to readjudicate the decision on Debian mailing lists (as opposed
    to via a GR, which Debian developers do have a right to use to override a
    TC decision if they believe it was wrong).
  - using a disagreement about init systems to justify attacks on developers'
    character, integrity, or technical competence

There is no expectation that everyone agree with every technical decision in
Debian.  The only expectation is that they engage constructively in spite of
any disagreements.


I simply point to the number of people - including long time developers - who left the community over the issue.  Not to mention a completely wrong-headed (IMHO) process & result – and the time it took to fix the long-standing bugs in the installer that stood in the way of building without systemd (which struck me as awfully passive-aggressive).

It was far from a constructive process.

Miles Fidelman



--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra


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