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Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

Norbert Preining writes ("Re: Code of Conduct: picking up"):
> And exactely this is what I meant: Based on the Code of Conduct
> I immediately got threatening emails by cc-ing the listmaster
> to create the atmosphere of warning, and this was sent by a 
> prominent member of Debian.

I think Norbert is referring to me here.  I think it is necessary to
clarify, so please find below the email that I sent.  If anyone else
feels my reaction was inappropriate please let me know by private

In general I don't think us responding at length to messages such as
<[🔎] 20131126140714.GF5429@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> in public is
particularly productive, although I appreciate that Wouter is trying
to draw out some constructive suggestion from it - and Wouter as the
CoC draft coordinator has a greater responsibility to do that, so I
don't criticise him for that.

We should recognise that it is inevitable that efforts to improve the
atmosphere in our communication fora will encounter pushback from the
very people who are most troublesome.  When that happens, there is no
need for us all to reply to explain how we disagree, and there is not
much point doing so.  Enough people seem to have made the community's
overall feeling known, and we can stop now.

Inevitably, the CoC will be voted on in a GR.  The right time to
continue this dogpile is in the vote.


From: Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
To: Norbert Preining <preining@logic.at>
Cc: listmaster@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: picking up
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:53:45 +0000

Norbert Preining writes ("Re: Code of Conduct: picking up"):
> Why don't we try to be *honest*, something like
> 	Debian is a practical oligarchy. If you don't happen to
> 	sit in key positions, you should be careful what you 
> 	are saying since disrespectful behaviour versus the
> 	oligarchs will be punished by bans without recurse.
> 	Like in every jurisdiction, Debian is not about true or
> 	false, good or bad, but what is declared as right or wrong
> 	by the law makers.
> Following the Code of Conduct I will probably be punished for making
> jokes about the different gender, different religion, different
> political opinion, and maybe even different OS. Where is the border,
> where is the limit.

Your message is unhelpful and unconstructive, and makes unfounded
allegations against listmaster et al.


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