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Re: DEP5: reasons for not pushing Bazaar changes to Subversion

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 08:20:26PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 09:55:59AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :

Half-baked versions of the format, not really controlled by anyone, have been floating around for a long while.

Dear Stefano and everybody,

In a first development phase, the wiki was used, the contents were peer-controlled, and points lacking consensus were recorded. After a while it made the proposal unreadable and it was transferred to a DEP. Despite the cleaning that was done, the revision 135 of the DEP in svn.debian.org, which stayed for a long time unmodified for other reasons, is not better baked than others.

In particular, it is a long time that we know that the syntax of the Files field in this revision is not reflecting consensus, and accordingly the bzr version was revised recently.

Thanks for the elegant summary.  I fully agree.

Using revision 135 of the DEP from svn.debian.org is a waste of time, for the people who would like to write a copyright file, or for the peopole who would like to write a parser. I strongly recommend against using it.

Arrgh - this final remark is, however, problematic IMO: The reason for transparency in the process is *NOT* to avoid wasting time of anyone involved: Everyone involved has accepted the time the spend!

This discussion should not be about which revision is good or bad, but about how the work on developing the DEP is best served.

I honestly have had a hard time following the discussion here on the mailinglist due to not easily being able to see our "whiteboard" of the progressing draft. If everyone else involved (in _developing_ the DEP - use of it is not our concern while a DRAFT!) feel that hiding (as I would phrase it) the VCS URL _supports_ the development work, then maybe all is fine - then I am the weirdo whos special needs gets in the way of the majority favoring a different style.

Great if this particular DEP process is at its end now (and no, I actually do not think that you have been too slow, Lars!). But that too is irrelevant for the principle of precess style - which is what I feel is the only thing left as a relevant topic of discussion.

 - Jonas

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