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Re: To whom it may concern [was Re: Bug#541013: O: at -- Delayed job execution and batch processing]

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 20:53, Siggy Brentrup<debian@psycho.i21k.de> wrote:
> Hi all,
> sorry to carry this over to d-project but IMHO the BTS is not the
> right place for the dispute below, moreover I'd like to learn what
> Debian's current consent in these matters is.
> appropriate Cc:s set.
> I had to pipe Sandro's original message through
>                sed -e 's/NO!!! No lp/No lp please/'
> before I calmed down enough for a moderate response.

no comment.

> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 14:26 +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 14:20, Siggy Brentrup<debian@psycho.i21k.de> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 13:11 +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> [For your understanding: I snipped this paragraph stating I have to skim  ]
> [over some old tapes from '00 to retrieve an almost complete rewrite of at]
> [*I didn't ask Sandro for any help*.  cf Bug#541013 if interested         ]

so exactly, what do YOU want?

>> >> I suggest to form a team around it: you're welcome to join (I suppose)
>> >> but I *will not* lead it.
>> >
>> > Given I decide to look after and find the code, I'll announce a lp project.
>> No lp please! here is debian, we got alioth -> use it.
> Please don't tell me what to do with *my code* should I ever retrieve it.

it's not your code.

I filed the bug, so I have a bit of responsibility to hand it to capable people.

Luckily other guys already started doing the work, instead of only
talking. On alioth of course...

>> >> > But, as I already told you on another thread, I won't contribute
>> >> > substantially to Debian without having a vote (nagged DAM on sunday).
>> >>
>> >> You repeat it at each mail, but you should really bother DAM not each
>> >> recipients of your messages (because I doubt it will gives your any
>> >> result).
>> >
>> > Only if asked for help :) an O: being a corner case I admit.  ATM I'm
>> > looking for my place in the OSS world, I'd prefer Debian but I am no
>> > patient guy, 4 weeks w/o any reaction not even an acknowledgement of
>> > receipt are akin to a denial for me.
>> >
>> > It's easy: I won't bother you anymore with this if you don't ask me to
>> > contribute or help. and I'll refrain from following up to O:, RFH: &c.
>> You don't need to be a DD to help with packaging. You don't need to be
>> a DD to help with bug triaging. You don't need to be a DD to help with
>> patching code. You don't need to be a DD to upload packages (DM
>> status). You don't need to be a DD to form an alioth team. You don't
>> need to be a DD to join an alioth team and do work there.
> Guess what, having been a DD from '95 to '04 I read and to a very small extent
> participated in the discussions leading to what you are telling me here.

well, you keep repeating "if DAM does not accept me again, I won't do
anything" - it seems you dont know the above situation.

>> So, if you want to help Debian, you're very much welcome, but not
>> doing because you're not a DD (anymore) it's fscking damn wrong.
> I'd suggest you stop cursing, please calm down *before* hitting the
> send button.

I am calm, it's you that's overreacting...

> To sum it up, you know my decision, please respect it.  The rest of my
> lifetime is too precious to be wasted in pointless discussions.

I beg my pardon to have wasted so precious time...

> Making things easy for DAM: if I still see no reaction on his part
> during the next week, I understand it as a denial and I'm no longer
> interested in reopening my account.

Have fun in whatever you'll do.

Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu)
My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/
Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi

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