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Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 20:07, Patrick Schoenfeld<schoenfeld@debian.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 06:40:06PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
>> THEY STEAL our packages
> Uarg. That sentence let me discard everything sensible/intelligent
> you might have said in your mail. I often read sentences like that
> in the discussion.

the mail was (intentionally) quite extremist, but it's not that far
away from: taking everything giving back very *very* few.

> It makes me sick and wonder if I do invest my time in
> the right project.
> Lets face it: If you do make things open source
> you /must/ and really /should/ accept that others do re-use it according
> to the license under which you license it. Ubuntu does exactly that.

Sure, sadly they spread all over the world, from the very beginning,
"We give back". Well, it's not happening. Either they should stop
saying lies, or (the preferred solution) they need to start respecting
their promises.

> If we start telling that Ubuntu people are thiefs because they
> re-use our work to make derivative works from it, then we should be
> consequent and call ourselves thiefs too, because we "steal" the work of
> our upstreams.

Hey, but we give back (patches, improvements, bug reports) to upstreams :)

> But OTOH it would be just better and easier to not forget
> what Debian stands for. Free Software. Everytime you might
> feel its appropriate to tell Ubuntu (or other downstreams)
> thiefs, it might be worth to hold in a moment and have a look
> at our Social Contract which you accepted, when you became
> part of Debian.

It's not about licenses, legal or what, it's about honesty. If you
promise to give back, you should do it. Noone have forced them to
promise that, and noone will force them to stick to their promises,
but when I give my word I do my best to maintain it. Maybe it's only

Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu)
My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/
Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi

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