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Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 17:55, Anthony Towns<ajt@master.debian.org> wrote:
> Given the freeze-timeline proposed it could/should be. Ubuntu has its
> "DebianImportFreeze" for karmic scheduled for June 25th; which should
> translate for an LTS import freeze on December 25th-ish, shortly after
> the Debian freeze begins. At that point, the vast majority of universe
> packages in Ubuntu LTS should exactly match the Debian version, and
> Debian will disallow uploads that don't fix RC bugs, which should allow
> Ubuntu to remain synced with very little review, until Debian releases, at
> which point security updates issued by Debian should also apply to Ubuntu.

<and many other similar comments/statements, I just take this as
example because it's the most recent one>

What I'm wondering is: why should *we* adapt to ubuntu? why was not
ubuntu in the first place to accommodate our plans, instead of the
other way around? Why was not ubuntu that proposed "we freeze when
Debian freeze" but the opposite or so? since when upstreams make their
plans on downstreams?

We receive nothing (or very near to) from Ubuntu; they *do not give us
back*, why should we schedule to follow on their needs?

Their changes (when they are worth to be applied in Debian too) are
quite never given back, and the debian maint has to go and extract the
relevant patch from the usual mess they do on their packages.

They do not collaborate with us to do changes in Debian first and then
have them "for free" in ubuntu, and the successful collaborations I've
seen (mainly in the python area) are just *exceptions* and not the
rule (as it should be).

What are my feelings to the whole story? we're trying to make ubuntu
LTS easier, because WE PREPARE the release, THEY STEAL our packages
while WE keep improving (fixing bugs and so), THEY do THEIR OWN
changes to target their goals, and we receive quite *NOTHING* in

We do the work, they make the money selling LTS to customers.

There was never collaboration between ubuntu and us, how would this
make things changing? at least are they publicly making any statement
about actively providing support to debian to make this "experiment"
something where we are both winning or not?

I don't think I'm the only one seeing this "not as positive as we want
to pretend", and while it's quite pessimistic, I don't foresee a
different outcome.

Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu)
My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/
Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi

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