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Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

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On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 08:13:17PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:20:42AM -0700, Richard Hecker wrote:
> > On Thu, 2007-03-29 at 07:07 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > 
> > ...<snip>...
> > 
> > > I would have gladly accepted any decision, provided it was a fair one, but
> > > this one-sidedness is what caused all of this.
> > > 
> > One big problem here is the way you define "fair" in this context.
> > There are many other DDs unwilling to accept your definition.  Another
> > good example is the way you talk about others who "hate" you.
> Do you deny that rejection is an act of hate ? And do you deny that the
> expulsion is an act of rejection, because the project was unable to solve the
> problem ? 
> For me, in a situation like this, fair does mean a solution which does not do
> injustice to any of the parties. Do you deny that this decision, which
> happened because the project is unable to solve his social disputes, can
> hardly be called fair, since it didn't involve both parties of the this
> dispute ? 
- From my perspective, the parties are:
A) Sven, B) the software in the archive, C) the end users, D) the Debian infrastructure,
and E) other DD's

Debian's #1 priority is to protect C 

E has the responsibility to protect B, C and D

At the moment A is losing support from E because of his behavior.

In the beginning A was trusted by E. 

Because of his behavior, E trusts A less. 

Trust is not a one-sided thing, it requires 2 or more parties.

Just because A wishes E to trust him more, does not make it so. Only
Jedi's can change peoples thinking. A is not a Jedi :-)

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