Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision
On 3/29/07, Sven Luther <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:56:52AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> I don't think anything you could say will reverse this decision. If
> anything people are using whatever you say against you.
> As unfair as this decision might be, you would probably be better of
> conserving your time for more productive tasks.
What i don't understand, is that everyone tells me this is not fair, but
I am reminded of something I was told repeatedly in my youth: "life is
not fair." And, just in case that lesson wasn't hammered home to me
during those formative years, life has spent much of my adulthood
reinforcing that. Bad shit happens to good people, and often times
that bad shit cannot or will not be remedied. (While I am not
particularly religious, the biblical story of Job seems apt here.)
And, sometimes unfair decisions are not going to be remedied. I'll
give you an example: last month I found out I didn't get a job for a
very petty reason, and to add insult to injury they decided it was
better to hire *nobody* than hiring me. Much as I'd like to yell,
scream, shout, beat down doors, and talk sense into those people -
well, I can't. So I accept that and life goes on. And when I get a
different job, I'll have the satisfaction of proving them wrong.
I would have gladly accepted any decision, provided it was a fair one, but
this one-sidedness is what caused all of this.
Again, part of life is learning to accept unfair decisions. Go and
use your talents elsewhere (deity knows there's plenty of Linux
distributions that could use your enthusiasm and skills) and take this
incident as a life lesson.
Damn it, look at the threads, i was well behaving during january/february, and
would have been ok, but before the ban even ended, they asked for my
I'm not up on the details - nor do I care to catch up on them or to
try to wade through the wiki to try to demangle what the hell everyone
is actually trying to say - but it is my understanding that you agreed
to this "ban" and then violated it. This is what we might refer to as
an "act of bad faith," meaning you failed to live up to a promise you
made to stop posting to the lists. It is also my understanding that
you promised to stop repeatedly raising your past issues with Franz,
joeyh, and $OTHER_DEVELOPERS, but when you returned to the lists
full-time you continued to raise these personality conflicts that
quite frankly 98% of the project doesn't care about on the one mailing
list that we all are obligated to read. Thus you crossed the boundary
from "person who isn't bothering me" to "person whose continued
whining is wasting my time."
And, to top things off, even now you keep taking the bait of people
who are trying to troll you rather than just ignoring them - and your
reaction to the trolling proves their point. Whether or not that's
fair behavior on their part is irrelevant - and they haven't pissed
away their goodwill in the project yet to the extent you have, so
they're not going to be suspended/expelled/told to sit in the corner
for a little light trolling. Maybe they should... but again, to
reiterate, life isn't fair. (Detecting a theme?)
I'll grant that there's an old metaphor that "the squeaky wheel gets
the grease" - complain enough and you will get attention. But the
squeaky wheel can be replaced if the grease doesn't work. And the
grease has been ineffective for a while, methinks.
what do you expect from me ? what ?
What I expect *now* is simple: stop posting stuff to -private and you
will disappear from my radar screen, which will make me very, very
happy, and in 360ish days, I (and many others) will be happy to see
you back in the project. Until then, my advice is to keep your
interactions with other DDs on a technical level, stop raising new
complaints (i.e. about the wiki) that are just variations on a theme,
and avoid interacting with the trolls.