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Re: irc.debian.org

On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:40, Cord Beermann wrote:
> >Why not move it to Jabber?  More people use and know what Jabber is these
> > days than IRC.
> Jabber doesn't have any useable non-graphic Clients.

So write one or grab one of the existing ones and make it not suck.

> for the usual one 
> to one communication it might be ok, but for groupchat (and thats what
> most people do on IRC it simply sucks.

By design, IRC encourages people to do truly obnoxious things, like spamming 
the channel to announce they're going away, or indicating their status with 
nicknames (which also spams the channel).  You also get spammed on IRC 
whenever someone joins or leaves a channel.  Jabber prevents this by 
providing a real presence system.  Jabber provides all the same "modes" IRC 
does in group chat, except bans actually work because they're not stupidly 
tied to some arbitrary netmask.  Nicknames changes, joins and parts aren't 
spammed to the channel unless your client adds them in for you (but changes 
are still reflected in the listing of who is in the chat).  Jabber networks 
don't go on begging sprees for funding.  OFTC will invariably spam you like 
every other IRC network since the dawn of time the first moment they get more 
than a few users.

IRC was a good early effort, but 20 years have passed and IRC is still plagued 
by the same problems it started with and shows no signs of improvement over 
time, just like Windows.  Isn't it time the world moved on already?

Paul Johnson
Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): baloo@ursine.ca
Jabber: Because it's time to move forward  http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber

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