On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 11:29:17PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 05:06:27PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> > > > - Switching networks without some significant advantage stinks of
> > > > politics too much for me.
> > > > - It increases the chances we'll have to do it again, and we lose the
> > > > stability that has made the network useful.
> > >
> > > The significant advantage is that we stop endorsing a network that collects
> > > spurious donations from our users, the people who we are supposed to help,
> > > not help waste their money.
> > >
> > > I think the risk to our reputation with our users over financing policies
> > > outweighs the risk of moving them to another network.
> > I don't agree; it is quite clear that the Freenode advertisements are
> > not Debian-related.
> How does that matter? We still encourage Debian users to go there.
I don't see how clearly unrelated advertisements constitute "A risk to
our reputation with our users over financing policies". We don't
approve of them, of course.
> > > > OFTC is too much of a wild card, which I think is clear to any detached
> > > > observer from reading the traffic in this thread.
> > >
> > > A wild card, as opposed to OPN, which has started an annoying and wrong
> > > fundraising campaign, is trying to found a new charity despite the fact
> > > lilo is an SPI advisor, and, of course, has just changed its name? :)
> > A wild _technical_ card. I refuse to support a move that we don't have
> > technical confidence in; despite the splits, OpenProjects has not been
> > a disappointment on that side.
> That doesn't make sense -- OFTC seems to be led by people who were staff on
> OPN. We haven't tested their technical expertise by seeing a 500-user
> #debian run on their new network, but other than asuffield's opinion that
> they are all worthless, I see no reason to believe they couldn't do what
> they used to do on OPN, on OFTC.
The problem of IRC network administration is always of scale - scale of
users, scale of servers, scale of problems, scale of politics.
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