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Re: Spam

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 04:00:55PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote:
> Jeroen Dekkers <jeroen@dekkers.cx> writes:
> > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 01:23:12AM +0100, David N. Welton wrote:
> > > Matthew Wilcox <willy@debian.org> writes:
> > > > No.  I _hate_ it when somebody cross-posts to a moderated list
> > > > I'm not a member of.  I have flamed everybody involved in the
> > > > past for doing this stupid shit.  If debian moderates its lists,
> > > > I _will_ leave the project.
> > > Why?  The first time you send an email, it gets delayed a bit
> > > while waiting for a moderator to approve your address.  It's just
> > > not really that inconvenient.  I could see it being annoying if
> > > you got automated messages, your mail didn't get through, and so
> > > forth, but that doesn't happen.
> > Delaying a message unnecessary is invoncenient IMHO. But the most
> > inconvenient thing is that a moderator should approve the mail. That
> > costs time people could spend hacking or doing other nice things and
> > it doesn't solve a problem at all. Just wait until spammers get
> > smarter and start faking From: addresses.
> It doesn't matter if they fake addresses.  It's easy to see from the
> content of a mail whether it's real or not.  Yes, it costs a few
> people a few minutes, but it's not that hard.  No action is necessary
> if it is spam.  And once they approve it, the address is added to a
> 'whitelist', so there aren't problems in the future.

And what if an e-mail address of the whitelist is included in the
From: address? If you take a mail archive for example, the address of
the mailinglist and addresses in the white list can be on the same
page. And closing mailinglist archives isn't a practical solution.

> This is something that is currently in place, and *works* for the ASF.

That something works for the ASF doesn't mean that it works for everybody.
> In any case, I think AJ's solution is pretty good and is worth
> pursuing.

If you mean moderating (I haven't read the original post, only the
debian-project posts), I don't think that works. People should spend
time making Debian better instead of moderating.

> > How do we solve the problem then? I think the answer is easy, just
> > make some good law against spam. Punish the people who send
> > spam. That would *solve* the problem, not work around it. So instead
> > of just the next message discussing about spam, talk to the
> > political persons in your country.
> > And although the answer is easy, I'm aware that getting such a law
> > isn't that easy. But that doesn't make impossible.
> Uh, let me know how it's going 10 years from now.  Until then, I'll
> take a more practical solution.

Out of experience I can tell that spam filtering is the most practical
solution speaking short term. Talking to politicians is the most
practical solution if you want to talk about long term solutions.

Jeroen Dekkers
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