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Re: PowerMac G5 fans run out of control with kernel 4.17.0-3-powerpc64 but not with 4.16.0-1-powerpc64

On 10/12/2018 10:28 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 10/12/18 4:10 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote:
That page speaks of many things but clear instructions are not among them.

That whole page speaks in riddles and strange incantations that don't
really mean anything. The next full moon is 24th of October and I
may be willing to give it a try. However the process will fail as it
has before over and over and as a user I lose interest in poorly written
instructions that speak in half truths and worthless jargon.

Well, you can't really expect that someone will give you a full course ...

Sure I can.

on the basics. If it was written like that, the whole manual would probably
have several thousand pages.


fakeroot ?

That alone is something from the distant past that bothers me.

Nope ... not interested.

What's wrong with looking things up that are not familiar to you?

I was using fakeroot back in 2001 or maybe it was 2000. Can't recall. It isn't unfamiliar. I just don't see the need to get my own kernel in
place.  Debian needs it ... I don't.


I think it's fair to expect that if a user is willing to install an unsupported
version of Debian on an unsupported machine, then the developers can expect
some manual work from the user.

Yep.   No issue there at all.

It's not that people are not willing to help. It's simply that time and resources
are limited and in Debian Ports, we don't have the manpower to provide a polished
product where we have each and every corner-case covered.

Right. You are busy elsewhere and so leave the long verbose crud to
schmucks like me.  I have done it before over and over.  It isn't fun
but it helps the next person and isn't that the whole point?  BTW I
wrote the original Solaris Zone docs and OpenSolaris kernel build docs
also and they were entirely step by step.  Better language.  However
very hand holding. Don't expect anyone to look at your technology and
play with it if you make it secret and special and impossible to play
with.  Such is life.

Building your own kernel isn't really difficult. It's mostly a matter of installing
the build dependencies for the kernel with "apt-get build-dep linux", then downloading
the source tarball of the kernel you want to use, unpacking it, copying the configuration
from /boot/ which you are currently using to $KERNEL_SRC_ROOT/.config, running "make oldconfig"
and applying any patches you want to test. Then just "make", "make modules", "make install"
and "make modules_install". There isn't anything more to it, really.

Well let's see if that is really true.  I have yet to see it work.
So there must be secret magic in there somewhere.

Attached are detailed step by step and clear instuctions on how ...

Here is a blunt force trauma set of steps :


Writing a document like this takes really a long time ...

days.  Yep.   Coffee.   Curse.   re-coffee.  re-curse.

and as already said, this is
just something we can't do - at least I can't.

Don't worry about it.  If there is interest .. then people will make the
effort. I need to clean that up and re-write it and get the Debian way
of things in there but it can be done.  By someone else.  Not you.

My real interest is in RISC-V anyways.  Just wait until I climb on top
of that.

There is certainly enough documentation
on the internet on how to build your own kernel, either in Debian or any other
Linux distribution. However, for a generic kernel taken from upstream, you can just
take any howto.


Would be nice if the "Debian way" were written up in a step by step fashion.

I think there are better ways to spend so much time than writing documentation
that already exists.

Maybe.  I have a really nice coffee machine.


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