Re: debian-powerpc or debian-boot for d-i issues [ was Re: Install 4.0 r0 "Etch" on IBM p5 510 inside LPAR ]
On Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 11:22:27AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 20 2007, at 23:04 +0200, Hans Ekbrand wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:42:00PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 19 2007, at 23:08 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, let's step into reality here, none of the debian-installer folk
> > > > really follow this list, and when one year ago i forwarded a report of
> > > > this kind to debian-boot, it set the events into motion which led to one
> > > > year of flamewar and hate.
> > >
> > > ????
> > >
> > > Sven, please: stick to the whole truth. They didn't kick you just for
> > > different opinions on software matters.
> >
> > Sven have not claimed that. Read his post again if you think it does
> > state such a thing.
>
> Have you read
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/03/msg00621.html
Be aware that the above is at least partially full of lies :
"Yes, I have tried talking to him."
This is a lie, he never tried talking to me, and the first time i
heard about him being discontent was when he posted an irc quote of a
conversation he was not even involved in to debian-vote, asking if
such behaviour was acceptable.
"After a number of blowups on the
debian-kernel list, myself and a number of kernel team members have
talked to him to calm him down (and in some cases getting him to
apologize)."
No idea what he is speaking about, this is another lie.
"The rest of the IRC log
from when he threatened Jonas is basically me attempting to show Sven
how destructive his behavior is. The fact that, a week later, he
continues w/ this behavior (after years of doing the same thing) is
why you're seeing this request."
and he don't mention the fact that the troubles started with Manoj
and Jonas, who many others than me have problems with, and which i had
to figth with to get the 2.6.12->2.6.14 migration done, with the
success that we know, with the same-day-as-upstream upload of 2.6.14.
Manoj and Jonas are only marginally part of the kernel team, and even
at that time, Andres was not contributing since months.
so, beware of what you read on the internet, not everything on it is
true, and nothing is ever so black and white as those guys wanted to
make believe. Everyone who has ever meet me in RL, or interacted with me
here will without doubt confirm that the portray that Andres, and later
other folk have done of me is all but at best a very warped deformation
of reality.
It is sad to see this kind of thing in debian, but over the past year, i
have expected to not be surprised by anything coming from debian, and
this culminated by the expulsion procedure being restarted the day after
i presented myself as DPL candidate, probably by Frans Pop humself, from
the few evidence i have seen.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
> According to the message above it becomes crystal clear that the
> reasons that lead to "flamewar and hate" had - at best - marginally to
> do with software matters. It was above all a matter of unacceptable
> behavior, or "normal behavior", if you think that announcing to hit a
> person is normal behavior.
>
> I'm just completely fed up about hearing one side of the story since
> it showed up on this list about a year ago. That's why I asked to tell
> the whole side of it. Where I grew up people would call that "trying
> to play the game fairly". Even better would be perhaps to not stir it
> up again and again. For ages.
>
> Regards
> Wolfgang
>
>
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