On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 11:54:31PM -0800, Chris Waters wrote: > On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:20:56AM -0600, Sam TH wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 05:25:15PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > > You wouldn't have to do that if your downstream maintainer were doing his > > > job properly and forwarding the bugs to you. > > > But the problem is that we have so many downstream maintainers. > > AbiWord is distributed by every major distribution, plus it's a part > > of GNOME, and of Ximian GNOME. So that's about 10 different BTSs, and > > 10 sources of bug reports and patches. > > > Fun. Not. > > *sigh* What we have here is a failure to communicate. > > If the bug is forwarded properly, it WILL be in your bug tracking > system. So, what's the big deal? You don't have to care whether or > not we also have it in ours, and if we have it in ours, it's > convenient for our users (and for us). You can IGNORE OUR BTS > COMPLETELY! But we STILL want to have the bug on file in our system! > Among other things, we use our BTS to decide if we're ready to release > a new system, and if important bugs aren't stored there, that breaks > the whole release mechanism. > > Now, if the maintainer doesn't do his job properly, and doesn't > forward the bugs to your BTS, that's another issue, and something you > may want to take up with the Debian community at large. If it's a > severe enough problem, we may be able to arrange to have someone more > competent take over the package. > > But otherwise, just keep the hell out of our BTS, buddy! :-) :-) > > It's no different than if I, personally, started keeping my own list > of bugs in your program. And if Fred down the street did the same. > As long as Fred and I forward any new bugs we discover to you, you > just plain don't care. Ditto for Debian's BTS. To be honest, it's > probably not really any of your business whether I or Fred or Debian > keeps a list of bugs. > > (I also don't understand the comment about "that's 10 sources of bug > reports and patches." Without 3rd-party BTS's like Debian's you'd > have far MORE sources of reports and patches, i.e. all the individual > users. Are you saying that 10 is too few???) > Count of AbiWord bugs in Debian BTS: 59 Number forwarded to AbiWord developers by maintainer: 1 Both the GNOME and Ximian BTSs are down at the moment, but the last time I checked, there were about 100 in the GNOME one, and about 50 in the Ximian one. Number forwarded to AbiWord developers: 0 Bugs in RedHat Bugzilla: 4 Number forwarded to AbiWord developers: 0 So, while Debian is doing better than average here, that isn't saying much. So, I wouldn't be advocating change if I thought the current system had a chance in hell of working. sam th sam@uchicago.edu http://www.abisource.com/~sam/ GnuPG Key: http://www.abisource.com/~sam/key
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