Re: Debian packages for pugs and parrot
Allison Randal dijo [Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 02:14:35PM +0200]:
> Indeed. Parrot is a complete virtual machine similar to Mono or
> Java. As such, it's likely that Parrot will ultimately split into a
> few more packages than it currently has, including parrot-modules,
> parrot-dev, and packages for running specific languages on Parrot,
> such as parrot-perl6, parrot-perl5, parrot-python, parrot-ruby, etc.
Umh... I guess that Parrot can start linked to the pkg-perl group - It
is already in Debian [1], however, is currently maintained by Florian
Ragwitz (I'm adding him on Cc: - Florian, please refer to this
thread's history [2]), so I think you should also coordinate with
him. Note that the latest packaged Parrot is 0.4.13, last updated in
June...
Oh... I just noticed: Parrot has been marked as Orphaned - This means,
Florian stepped down from maintaining it. So we _do_ need to find
people to carry it on. It's _not_ a module similar to what we deal
with in pkg-perl, and I'm sure it will increase in complexity and in
demand for maintainer time - So we do need to get somebody with proper
involvement and knowledge to maintain it! I see it's mainly
C-based... So I'm not a prime candidate for it.
However, although Parrot is AFAIK much closer linked with Perl today
than with any of the other proposed languages, I think Parrot is a
prime candidate for setting up its own Alioth project for proper
Debian integration.
> But, our focus at the start will just be getting the existing
> packages updated to the current version of Parrot (0.5.1, released
> yesterday) and resolving the issues noted in your issue tracker. The
> next step is automating the process of producing the Debian
> packages, so we can generate them as part of our monthly releases.
Umh... Ok, here's my point of view: Of course you can do the Debian
packages and release them, you are more than welcome... But I do think
that the Debian packages belong _in_ Debian. Proper integration with
the rest of the distribution (specially given that Parrot will likely
become a major infrastructure base in the future) is not a trivial
task, and we will have to deal with lots of cross-dependencies,
migrations with version bumps of any of the affected languages, etc. I
think that, if the Parrot developers want to get involved in
maintaining Parrot fresh and up to date in Debian (and I think you
should! ;-) ), the best way would be to get involved in the
corresponding Alioth project. Probably even somebody in the Parrot
development group becoming a Debian Maintainer...
Greetings,
[1] http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/parrot.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-perl/2007/12/msg00134.html
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