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Bug#823429: marked as done (Subject: Re: Bug#823429: libreoffice: wrong package description for libreoffice-l10n-zh-*)

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and subject line Re: Bug#823429: libreoffice: wrong package description for libreoffice-l10n-zh-tw (taiwanese, not Chinese_traditional)
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Source: libreoffice
Severity: normal
Tags: l10n

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Package libreoffice-l10n-zh-tw is described as being "localization of
LibreOffice in Chinese_traditional".

One thing is that the underscore is wrong there (both short and long
description fields should contain prose, not computer-mangled strings),
but the locale zh_TW which the package name quite likely is tied to is
_not_ traditional chinese but instead taiwanese.

Similarly, the package libreoffice-l10n-zh-cn is described as being
"Chinese_simplified" where at least the underscore should be corrected.

 - Jonas

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Quoting Rene Engelhard (2016-05-04 22:34:06)
> On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 10:25:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>> Almost everything in the world does it how is it now, why should we 
>>> change it?

I find that to be a bad reason.


>> Is the content of the package truly traditional chinese locale data, 
>> not taiwanese-flavored chinese locale data?
>
> it's not locale data at all. It's UI locaalization. Nothing else.

_that_ is a good reason: I clearly mistook the suffix as being a locale, 
i.e. the second part referring to a region, not a writing style.


>> For these packages, the same suffix is described as "Taiwan": 
>> firefox-l10n-zh-tw firefox-esr-l10n-zh-tw iceowl-l10n-zh-tw 
>> icedove-l10n-zh-tw iceweasel-l10n-zh-tw
>
> I know, but that changed, I am sure it had it as simplified and 
> traditional long ago...

Well, perhaps it would then make sense to ask why that changed...


> And there is still counter-examples:
>
> kde-l10n-zhcn - Chinese Simplified (zh_CN) localization files for KDE
> kde-l10n-zhtw - Chinese Traditional (zh_TW) localization files for KDE
>
>> What is the logic of using suffix "tw" to denote "traditional"?
> 
> The logic is "everyone did it in the past as this", basically.
> Yeah, I got that (almost) everything except KDE changed it..

I think - now looking a bit closer, that that's not the logic but merely 
indication of an underlying logic: "tw" is meant only to indicate "...as 
is common in Taiwan", not "unique for Taiwan".

I have changed my mind and hereby close this as a non-bug.


 - Jonas

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